The Quake2 guy's rocket jumps are all jacked up and wrong! There were some sick trick jumps in q2dm1 that are completely impossible now. Also, you can't even make it from one side of q3dm17 to the other off a q2 rocket jump! The distance jumps q2ers can pull are fantastic, and it is at least as important to recreate as quake1 guy's crazy aerial control. The rocket is too slow and its splash radius is too small, but I wouldn't care about that if at least the rocket jumps worked right. Keep this in mind for a future version! Also, think about importing some cool grapples (red laser for q2 guy, voreballs for q1 guy and lightning for q3 guy) for teamplay games; get some Generations Threewave going (with KEYS instead of FLAGS!)

Also, don't even get me STARTED on the nail guns. Ranger has been reverted to the one-trick rocket pony he, well, always was in q1 i guess. The nails could at least be a little faster.

GGs all around

-UltraMagnus

Ahem.

I understand thoroughly that the q2dm1 is a remake. However, it is not so completely different from the original that none of the jumps should work. Quake 2 used to operate on a system where you could combine your jumps, and actually rocket jump off of a grenade to perform a "rocket-grenade jump". None of this stuff is (properly) retained in the mod. As far as the dm17 jump, that is a jump that the regular q3a player can accomplish with just the right amount of hopping and a well placed rocket. If you go back and play some Quake 2 you will realize that the physics of the game allow for a much greater amount of rocket player-propulsion than is implemented in the mod. That is to say, the Quake 2 guy should be able to "catch better air" than his Quake 3 contemporary.

Granted, dm17 is relatively huge on quake2 standards, as far as wide open spaces are concerned. This is the biggest issue with the rocket discrepancy, but whether or not the numbers are identical in the code, it doesn't "feel" the same even with all other factors being equal (q2 players only in a q2 remake or q2-themed map). If you want to get technical about it and deny that there is any possibility that there could ever be even a passing discrepancy between quake2 rockets and strogg q3g rockets, that's entirely up to you, but it isn't a delusion I'm afflicted with.

You'll have to forgive me for not having read every single thread ever in this forum before chancing a post. I hadn't mentioned anything of the sort between grapple speeds, merely the visuals for the interesting "retro" feel that the rest of the mod provides. If you had played Quake 1 CTF when it was first released, when it was only a server-side mod, the gold and silver keys were used instead of flags, and the grapple was a set of voreballs (or, sometimes, super nails) with an axe at the end of it. The purpose of bringing this back, again, would be to maintain that "retro" feel that will remind all the old Quake1 players what it used to be like to play the old-style CTF.

For the nailgun stuff, you can copy the values directly from the source but that doesn't necessarily net you an identical experience with a completely different game engine.

I'm surprised at your response on this subject, particularly your overall defensive and rather condescending nature. It is not your business, for example, to decide whether or not players should enjoy rocket jumps. If you are striving for consistency between the "generations" so far as to have very talented individuals spend a large quantity of time developing models and skins that are almost-but-not-enough-to-get-foxed perfect transitions from the original series, then I would only find it reasonable to assume that you would want to get the physics correct also. I am particularly puzzled by your reaction about rocket jumping since there has been so much work put into the slipgater's air control.

You can be as belligerent and condescending to me as you please, but that won't fix your messed up quake 2 rocket launcher. It is because you don't realize the use of rocket jumping that you don't see the discrepancy. Sure, quake 1 rockets featured a mean jump, but at the cost of a TON of life and armor. Quake 2 featured a similarly (and, dare I say, even more) spectacular jump, but with a much smaller pain cost.

If you want to call it hopeless minutiae that isn't worthy of your attention, then fine. However, don't pretend that the good ol' quake 2 players (particularly the old rocket arena 2 players, the category I belong to) are going to be able to play their strogg troopers like they would have expected to. I sure couldn't.

-UltraMagnus

P.S. - I hope this is now structured enough for you to properly read. I wasn't aware I was being graded on my eloquence, or lack thereof.  

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And thanks for taking an interest. We do what we can ;]

Tell me where you want me to RJ to with Strogg, and I'll do it just for you... I don't know what you're talking about with this q3dm17 jump, considering q3dm17 didn't exist in Q2 and shouldn't have any history with Strogg jumping =]

Here, I recorded a demo of myself doing several of my favorite q2dm1 trickjumps, including central floor to grenade launcher, SSG area to yellow armor, upper rocket launcher to opposite ledge, and stairway to upper RL.

Tekhead was also almost able to grenade-rocket jump to the Quad on q3dm17, I hope he'll post his own demo soon.

Edit: I did use godmode on this, just so I wouldn't have to gather health/armor to help keep the file smal. Godmode has no effect on knockback. All of these jumps are possible without using the cheats.

I'm not a programer,skinner or anything like that but have one thing to say:BETA.These guys have been working hard and so far come up with an awesome mod for q3.-which in my opinion was lacking severely.Nobodies perfect man.Give them a break Granted there might be a few things off key but hell,just over look it and have fun.They're aware of these things and will try to fix it eventually.All I'm saying is give them a bit of credit,bringing ALL of these great games together takes quite abit of talent.                                                                                                                                                                               P.S.-Keep up the good work guys

Phoenix, I'm really getting sick and tired of your attitude towards the people who play this mod.

Time and time again, someone downloads this mod, and they expect it to conform perfectly to their preconceptions of how games should work, not how the actual source codes say they work. Time and time again, you refuse to constantly change the generations source code to meet the infinitely varied opinions of those who play the mod. When are you going to realize that it is your responsibility, nay, DUTY, to capitulate to each and every demand made by random people who have only been playing the mod for a handful of days, if not hours?

Everytime you hide behind your "four years of work" and "dedication to being accurate," you only harm people like UltraMagnus, and Generations' chances of appealing to irrational blowhards.

When will you ever stop driving away 90% of the internet?

*hangs head in shame*