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Listen here Phoenix, I don't like they way you moderators try to play God on this board. I've sent in questions that you didn't even have the goddamned decency to reply to. I've just about had it with you goddamned worthless codeheads. What are you gonna do next ban me from this site? Be damned glad I don't work in the same room you do. I don't know why you have to throw a shitfit every other week anyway. Tell OObie to quit playing god too. Tabun said he thought I should be able to take a joke. Why can't YOU take a joke. I don't know what MOJO sent that was so worthless, but don't be so damned quick to delete something that's just started. :angry:

First off, Mojojojoe has REPEATEDLY spammed useless, moronic topics on this board.  Secondly, where the F*** do you get off telling people how to run their own board?  You're a mighty big man with your threats of violence on an INTERNET FORUM.  Ooooh, quaking in our collective boots, I'm sure.  Mojo's posts were either a) flamebait (like this post of yours) or b) something that could have been answered had he bothered to RTFM.  He's a moron.  You're a moron.  I realize that this unique bond you share compels you to stick up for him, but believe me, you and I and this whole board are much better off without him.

As a sidenote Vader, check the challenge thread.

most questions asked on this board has been answered already if you just bother to search for the old topics wich i realise is a bit off a pain since the transfer

the off-topic forum is for off-topic posts and this forum is for generations posts

your tone however is less then cordial my god man for no real reason
you posted a thread in the wrong forum and youre mad because it got deleted? EDIT: sorry moved to the off-topic forum not deleted

does that make you mad that they moved it to where it belong?

vadertime i didnt place you in the category twi does with mojo but this recent outburst is more in line with his previous posts then yours

please try to be more civilised

which thread was deleted Vader? cause i see one of yours moved to the off topic forum area, which it was truely off topic. next time read the rules here before posting.

I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but your tone is more than enough to get deleted in and of itself.

Address your grievences with an ounce of respect -- not for the moderators, but for your fellow poster.

let's see.. what would happen if I walked into the admin channel of any irc network, and started to shout big (cuss-)words, speak belittelingly, make threats in general and to specific ircops all at the same time, while pretending to know about some channeltakeoverer that was punished (but in fact know hardly anything about said story) ... i'd get k-lined.. and justly so.
Basically, the above is what you just did, and not only that, you did it and proceeded to post it in the wrong bloody forum.
A post like this would be almost ok in the CC forum, almost. But not quite.
Djeez.

What in gods name is this stupid shit? Are you TRYING to create flamebait here? I haven't seen many posts by you, but I'm fairly certain based on this one alone that you sir are not only a retard, but in fact an insult to the name of retard. Frankly, you make mojo seem like a poster child for politeness and intelligence.
Your tactic of referring to the moderators of these forums as, and i quote, "goddamned worthless codeheads" is an absolutely BRILLIANT strategy, assuming you're an ignorant asshole who's concept of 'debate' hasn't evolved much from your first grade playground days.
By the way, I don't know how many times i've suggested this in the past, so this time I'm going to put it in HUGE FREAKING RED TEXT so you ignorant flamebaits out there will get the damn hint:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE BOARDS, LEAVE!

This is a private forum, we reserve the right to moderate it however we want. Nobody's making you read/post on these boards, and frankly if it was up to me, I'd make sure you wern't able to.

HAHAHAHAHAR!!!  Oh this is soooooo funny!!  I know you guys aren't too happy right now, but you gotta admit this is pretty humorous, a complete stranger coming into your forums and havng the balls to try to blast you guys!  

Put him in his place, guys...little bugs deserve to be squished!  *Evil chuckle and a whip crack*

oh boy. pho is on the boards, u r teh toast now..

I can't help but laugh... man, that's funny. I'll agree with DW though, show em what's what and do what's necessary. :)

Till then... rock on! :rockon:

Um, excuse me Vader?  I've deleted, to my count, two threads because they had been answered before and Mojo was spamming topics on the main board.  That kind of behavior has been warned against fairly publicly.  So besides me deleting the two threads that Mojo spammed in the Gen board what the hell are you bitching about?  And don't go off saying I never answer questions.  I answer just about every question thrown at me, unless for some reason I miss seeing the thread because (surprise!) I MIGHT ACTUALLY BE WORKING ON THE FREAKING MOD AT THE TIME!  This isn't the "20 Questions With Pho" show, I don't patrol this board 24/7 so please, forgive me if I missed one of your 19 posts among the few HUNDRED we get here a month!  People already say I talk enough as it is, now you're saying you want me to talk MORE?  As far as us "playing God" on this messageboard, um, get a flocking clue featherbrain?  On a messageboard ADMIN = GODMODE, so from a technical standpoint we have every right to play God here.  WE OWN THE BOARD.  This is NOT Central Park in N.Y City where you can just say anything you want, including baseless inflamatory remarks.  This board is © Wirehead Studios.  We as admins reserve the right to do whatever the hell we want whenever the hell we want for whatever REASON we want.  Capiche?  We don't however exercise that power baselessly or needlessly anymore than the USA or Russia goes around dropping thermonuclear weapons on 3rd world countries "just because they can".  We prefer open dialogue and encourage it, but only up to a point.  Your inflamatory and from my standpoint fairly personal attack leveled at me would get you kicked off a lot of other boards quicker than here.  If you think I'm a jerk, that's fine and dandy, and that really doesn't bother me in the least.  I've never given much stock in the personal opinions of my character when leveled at me by people who show by their own actions a blatant lack of character.  I can stand being insulted quite easily, but don't start making false accusations or telling me, or OoBeY, or any of the other team members how to sail our own ship.  THAT is where I draw the line.  Unless that's your whole intention is to get banned, you know, like those people who think it's fun to find out how many boards they can get kicked off of.  If that's all you want just come out and ask us.  Otherwise, cool your jets and behave like a good little soldier.  If you have a legitimate question fine, ask away.  If it's something we missed, just say so!  There's no reason to pop your cork over it.  If you have a specific complaint you're welcome to express that too, but try to do it in a bit of a more courteous manner.  If you just keep attacking and flaming then don't blame us for the consequences.  Oh, and one last thing.  Lay off the personal threats.  You have no idea what I'm capable of. :ph34r:

Brava!  You go, Pho!  *Applauds*

You guys sure put on a good show now and then.  '-)

One more post even REMOTELY like this vader, and you're outta here. Nobody talks like that on my forum. Shut your hole or die.

Ok it takes much to piss me off but this, man vadertime grow up! this board HAVE moderators because SOME of you ppls can't keep whitin the forum rules, if it where un-moderated it whould be caos.
And don't attack phoneix for just doing his job, if he deleted the topics they've EARNED to be deleted!.

If you don't like how this boars are managed, you can leave.

there are a few faulty points in your argument...

1. "I don't like they way you moderators try to play God on this board."
 - as far as 'net BBs go, moderators ARE [relatively speaking] god. That's just the way it is, sugah.

2. "I don't know what MOJO sent that was so worthless, but don't be so damned quick to delete something that's just started."
 - You've missed out on a long line of bullshit that mojo has given this forum; here's the thread it's in: http://forums.wireheadstudios.org/index.ph...act=ST&f=5&t=31 (http://forums.wireheadstudios.org/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=31)
 - That thread was started by mojo and it quickly turned into a flame war after the poll was criticized [note how many people voted "Yes"].
 - On the note of the deletion of mojo's posts, that flaming thread lasted for about a week before the fire burnt itself out. History has a tendancy to repeat, and I think whoever deleted mojo's more recent posts saw another flame thread coming, so they dispatched it. That's my perspective.

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I hope that I have shed some light about the difference between a Member and an Admin/Moderator is and why they do what they do with the forums. These guys seem to be sound with their judgement.

In short, do your homework before testing people on the same material. It helps.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
 - Tekhead

I agree my post was reasonable and shouldn't be deleted Vader has every right to say you are playing god and should stop. Also you deleted two topics I assume they were mine the two I posted a few days ago. Well are they? And there was no threats and there was no tones. A tone would have been implamented with exclamation marks not periods. You guys play god and eventruly you are going to piss someone off. If you want a model forum to look at try Pain keep arenas forum. They respect the people even if they  do get pissed off. They dont play god. Also there is very very very few complaints there they seem to be good people and you guys seem to be wound way to tight and rigid. Take a break please. Also there is such a thing as pissing off the wrong person. Like a major time profesional hacker which I know some that post here and there at forums. I've seen two forums piss them off and their mod was put back about three months Including web page and forum. This is not a threat. It is merely an example. Also he may be new but a few tricks I know at forums is forum ghosts like a spectator they watch don't post and see all that goes on. This is it for my post here. G2G :P

We're going to get hacked by a PROFESSIONAL hacker because we deleted a few posts by an idiot? Right...

Go away moejo. Nobody likes you.

Gee....I leave for a couple weeks to work on my book and someone is higher on the shitlist than me....

/me goes away to write his book somemore    :P

Mojo old chap, you seem to miss the point entirely. If you read the posts in this thread backwards, they would still make sense, if you know what I mean (not ruling out the possibility you don't, judging by your post(s)).

1. The threads deleted were not reasonable for our standards (and surprise, we go by our standards here,. not those of anyone else, no matter who they are and how much anyone likes them). If I can believe Phoenix (which I surely can), the answers to the questions in said posts were answered either here or on the old forum some time ago.

2. We do not hold grudges. Our patience has its limits and harshness in action increases when limits are reached. This is not the first time we've dealt with these matters, and indeed our patience has slowly grown thin.

3. I respect everyone on these boards, even when I apply sarcasm or speak jokingly. The thing is, respect is a two-way concept. A post that is in one way or another disrespectful can receive disrespectful response - do not be too surprised at this.


There is a saying "your communication reflects itself in the response you get".
There is no judgement in this saying, it merely portrays wisdom.

If people get angry at you, delete your posts or apply sarcasm, there are two possible responses.
- The first, and generally applied reaction: you ignore their point, since they are obviously wrong and you apply threats (or examples, whatever you call them :)), arguments and generally start or continue a fight on all fronts.
- Another way to respond, would be to reflect on the general response. Do not allow yourself to react to initial anger/feelings, do not allow yourself to be hurt by them directly, but let it seep in, think about what you can do yourself to change both this response, and the effect of your communication.
Are you getting out of this what you wanted to in the first place?
Does the application of the 'first' type of reaction help you reach your goals?
If not, why continue along that path? It's certainly not helping either yourself or the receiving end.

All this applies to us (moderators) aswell. If we post a news item or use our moderator privileges to which a lot of rude comments are issued, we should think about this, and not respond by forcibly furthering to express our opinions in the same manner (and yes, that is hard to do).
In any case however, we are both the initators and represent the response.
Phoenix' response was to delete the threads mentioned earlier, and surely you still remember our response to the new player class idea you ventilated some time ago. This is what I recommend you to think about. I'm not saying we were right to respond the way we did - I'm not saying your ideas are bollocks in general - I'm just saying that you're not going to get what you are/were obviously trying to get out of it.
A change in this can only effectively come from the initatiators' side, so I hope you, mojo and vadertime, may find this advice helpful (I know it was an eye-opener for me, once upon a time). Just as we will try to be patient as much as we can.

Two tactics that are not working so far:

• The 'democratic community' idea (also known as 'stop-acting-like-gods'). "The community is god and moderators should do their bidding. Admins should be gentle, even when the community is not, because that is their place." - it won't work with us, Phoenix has clearly (and respectfully) explained why.
  Comparison to other communities or boards does not change this.
  
• Threats, accusations, examples are a no-no.
  For example, the bit about the 'all-seeing-professional-hacker'... doesn't help - this is the internet. Any hacker true of heart shall agree with me on that. Their purpose is not to 'fight the unjust', because such a thing is never black&white on the net. Hackers strive to learn and educate about security problems, flaws and loopholes. Professional hackers also try to make sure their efforts are well met - otherwise there'd be a lot of jail, and very little profession left for them. All in all, being a hacker is an honourable task. I fear not of them, but would encourage a good conversation at any time - much can become known through this.
  

I'll leave it at that for now. I've hardly ever typed this much, but this is pretty much the base of how things work for me.

That could almost me veiwed as a threat. Even though you stated it wasnt, some people will take it as a threat, the way I see it.  There was no reason to post that bit of info in the first place.
As for playing god, you did read the info before joining right? Something along the lines of a ToS. (Terms of Service) Or whatever else it is called.

P.S. Tab, I agree with you 100% about proffesional hackers.
And for the malicious kind Mojo, 90% of the time if they told you, they are probally some script kiddie.

:ph34r:  :thumb: mojo..stop trying to scare us..it isnt working. dont cry cuz u got raped by twi and humiliated, and had your meaningless posts moved/deleted. so u can go away..or u can be banned..whichever u like best

Omega, I'm not going to tolerate that kind of post from you any more than I would from moejo or vader. You've been warned.

oh noes watch out everyone con is going to use his god powers to enforce the rules of etiquette! MOD ABUSE! MOD ABUSE!

Yes! FEAR THE RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION OF THE GODLIKE MODERATOR!

lol...and thanks for editing your post Omega. Of course, now my reply post doesn't make much sense....

if you really believe your post was reasonable, well, good for you.

You're failing to tell us why it was a magnificent post though. Unless you tell me [as well as all other forum readers here] the real worth of your post, then we shall think and refer to it as what it was derived from its content [since it was deleted after all], which is crap.

Bottom line: I'm tired of reading your posts about things that are either improbable, non-sensible or non-productive. If your goal on this forum is to be totally ignored, then you're going about it the right way. Do what you will, but don't expect undeserved sympathy for your actions.

The whole reason the posts were deleted was because they were spammed topics.  I posted why, and posted a warning, you obviously overlooked the big angry red face on it.  One topic was posted, then another right afterward, both with questions that had either already been answered in a previous post or had absolutely no merit to the development of Generations.  Spamming topic after topic after being warned ALREADY about unacceptable behavior on the board is more than enough reason to delete posts.  So I acted unilaterally, big flocking deal.  We have the right to do that here.  Just what are you going to do about it, complain some more?  Get one of your script-kiddie friends to try to take on the Warden?  That's a laugh and a half.  Please, go on telling us how to run our own messageboard.  Then say hello to the banned user list.  We run this board, not you.  Nobody else has a problem with the way we run it EXCEPT FOR YOU.  Cut the whining and grow the hell up, or take a hike.  I'm through trying to be rational to the both of you.  Shape up, or ship out.  One more whine out of either of you and you're gone for good.  There will be no further warnings.

hes made now .
dont come in the neigberhood of the bird or he toast ya. only way to save ya then is to trow your PC into the water .

(please listen to our birdie )  :thumb:

/me pats Pho then gets out some pom poms

This will be the ONLY time in my life I do this...so you all better appreciate this!

/me starts shaking the pom poms
Go Phoenix!  Go Phoenix!  You go, bird!

Go Con!  Go Con!

/me burns the pom poms

Okay, you all can go back to your ass kickin.  '-)

Pho who the hell is the warning to? Also I never had those topics I posted answered before. Also Tab I think is the most understanding person on this message board. Omega was out of line. I dont personaly know these hackers I just used to post the same place they did. I am not trying to scare anyone. The only hacker I know hacked visa credit cards and now cant have internet accsess till he is 40.  :o  But he lives in CA I live in MO. A lot of problem people here say you guys are like Clinton. I disagree. Also who now a days reads the legal agreement before joining message boards not many. I sure dont very often. My opinion is everybody sould take a break. Also how can I get back on your good side? Besides the crap about dont think or rethink. Honestly in the real world what can I do. P.S. Last time I ask a gen version question. Will gen v1.0 come after .99c if all goes well with it? :D

Anybody but Mojo reply to this....

WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!?!?! :huh:

This is a waste of time - I'm not reading this thread anymore.

dear mojojoe:

the topics were answered in threads not started by you
and if you would have searched around in the archaives of the old boards you would have found the answers

that is why they were deleted they are copies of old threads that have already been answered.

i hope this answeres your question about why the threads wer deleted if it doesnt feel free to send me  a PM on this board and i will try to explain further

regards pepe

I do... But I am admittedly paranoid about things like that. There's always the chance that you will need to know such agreements anyways, for loophole and manipulation purposes :P

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Pepe thanks that answers all my questions. So lets call it a day everyone and leave this godforsaken thread to rot. Literaly.

Sorry that outburst was very unlike me. I hadn't noticed my topic was moved to where it really belongs. How can I apologize. I've been very frustrated lately. This new board is somewhat confusing to me. I'll figure it out in a while. Forgive me if you can. I'll post good, on-topic stuff here if I can keep from vommiting to death from guilt. If that outburst was like mojo I can see why you all want to kick him out. Sorry for the trouble.

Yeah, Mojo said some pretty dumb and rotten things that got him into quite a bit of trouble.  We're not bad guys here or out to get anyone, we only get nasty and heavy-handed if there's a reason for it.  You're as  welcome here as anyone so long as you're civil.  That's how we like it.  Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show, you'll catch on. ;)

ooh 1 big happy family again  :)
letshave a drink  :beer:

wasnt this topic supposed to be closed..?  :blink:

Ok so I said something real stupid. I'd like to forget this humiliating fiasco. Can we please move on? do me a favor and close this topic before it gets any worse. I thought I apologized somewhere on this board. Did any of that get through? Anyway let's talk about something else now.

PHOENIX, isn't it about time this thread withered away? It's not the first blunder I've made, but please don't rub it in. :(

WOW!!! This crap is still here! Isn't it time we moved on? OObey, I am not a retard. Maybe you should read some of my normal, less emotional posts. Every so often it seems like everything I do turns to sh#t. When I started this thread it was one of those times. Don't use this thread as an example.

psst... topics don't go away - they get idle and forgotten about ;)

quit replying <3

Since it didn't go away on its own, it's time to make it go away.  Topic closed. :)