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Title: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! (Ok we are in GRAVE danger!) Post by: Kenny_WHS on 2003-07-25, 17:17 Well it is time to do something, this madness has to stop. So many things have been happening recently that I have opposed and did little about, but now we must fight and fight hard. I am sick of powerful people making decisions to increase their power, I am tired of our basic freedoms being taken so that a CEO's stock raises .002 points, AND I AM SICK OF OUR GOVERNMENT TURNING FROM A REPBULIC INTO A CORPERATE OLIGARCHY! When the EFF sent me a warning about the DMCA becoming law, I did nothing. When the RIAA shut down Napster, I did nothing. When the RIAA sued a college student for 27 TRILLION DOLLARS for just creating a search engine that had, amongst other options, the ability to search for MP3s on a windows network, (Note: the student in question settled out of court for his life savings of $48,000 he is no longer in college and his life is at least temporarly ruined) I did nothing. Now they are comming after me and after us. Don't belive me? Read the following:
EFF (http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2753) If this is not enough evidence that our government has been corupted by the alure of money, I don't know what is. Remember Senator Berman sold our rights for a mere campaign contribution of $10,000. Aparently the equalivent of a new economicly built car is the value of our bill of rights. What can you do about this? Click on the link to fax a letter automatically to your senators and representatives on the above URL. REMEMBER THE SCREWBALLS WHO WROTE THIS AND IF IN YOUR STATE, VOTE AGAINST THEM! Tell as many people about this problem as possible and send them the above URL. If you actually belive that the RIAA is right in their actions, remember we are in a new era and I have yet to find any law that states that companies that have been sucessful in the past have the *RIGHT* to be sucessful in the future. I just hope that we return to a sane government sometime who is actually driven of the people, by the people, and for the people. Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Woodsman on 2003-07-25, 18:11 while i agree that this whole thing is ludicrous i really think its more of an impotent scare tactic than anything else.
while im not going to stand here and tell you pirating music is our right the RIAA grilling your isp for your personal information so they can sue you is clearly a violation of privacy if nothing else. further more kenny should not mix political forum posts with long island iced teas. Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Dicion on 2003-07-25, 23:28 No, I Agree with Kenny.. this is ludricous. You can bet that I will forward this to everyone i know, and I myself have already had a message faxed.
Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Lilazzkicker on 2003-07-25, 23:30 i dont know anyone to send that to cept people here :/
Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Phoenix on 2003-07-26, 05:25 It's a pity they don't let birds vote.
I'm fully in agreement with Kenny here. This kind of attitude is "Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich". While illegal trading of music is just that - illegal - it by no means warrants making this a felony offense. Felony theft for a hard good is defined as stealing something worth over $100. This basically turns individual acts of petty theft into a felony merely because somebody's bitched about losing sales. No company has a RIGHT to make a profit, and it's their own damned fault for not taking measures to protect themselves and adapt to the changing technology. Most software companies have taken anti piracy measures, from CD keys to dongles to other annoyances, some more successful than others, but they at least try to adapt, and if they know they can't stop piracy they find ways to placate would-be thieves and make it more advantageous to buy the whole product by offering exclusive services you can't get if you pilfer it. It's called "Doing business the smart way." Flies around shit, bees around honey. I think the backlash from this will be severe. Politicians are forgetting that college age students are of voting age and can easily become polarized by this kind of crap. It's also a fact that jailing and bankrupting your future scientists, engineers, teachers, and LAWYERS is a bad idea, but then, these elitist kk'r'kki's in government think that you all are nothing but a bunch of hooligans who do nothing but cause damage and destruction and are wanton criminals at heart anyway, and you need to be taught a LESSON for your evil deeds. As if they should talk... If this passes into law the RIAA and anyone else who's supported this will find people switching to underground methods, using encrypted networks, writing anonymous routing software, or just copying CD's and trading them like playing cards. The record companies will find even less cash flow than before, and some servers will get wiped by some rather skilled hackers out there. What's needed is for the record companies to change their business model and make their products more appealing, not pass new legislation making everyone guilty of high crimes. If you think this is not a problem, consider this. Felony offenses according to the site strip you of your right to vote. Also, as they said, the fine would be $270,000 dollars. While that might change, you NEVER get your right to vote back. You also cannot hold certain jobs, and you cannot ever own a firearm to protect yourself or your family with. Whether you like them or hate them, the fact that you LOST THIS RIGHT and so many others is the issue here. This puts you in the same category as murderers and rapists! The bigger crime here is in that people in power would actually CONSIDER such legislation. :angry: Remember this the next time you hear these damn politicians say they're doing something "for the children" or "because they care". Then remember what they're really all about. Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Woodsman on 2003-07-26, 16:04 all i download from kazaa is porn. hope the porn industry dosnent pull this shit.
Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: games keeper on 2003-07-26, 17:13 can you send me some ?? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Atom235 on 2003-07-26, 19:42 That's just MFcrazy! That law doesn't even separate people that share 100000000 songs or 1 song. Futhermore, I think that first time murderers spend same amount of time in the prison ( 5 years, cause first timers have their prison time halved) in Finland, but they don't have to pay 250 000 dollars.
I hope that record companys in Finland (or European Union) will not follow the doomed path of RIAA and it's assosiates. Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Woodsman on 2003-07-28, 14:45 well if murderers only serve 5 years because they were popping their murdering cherry id say we dont need any lessons from finland. good to see we arent the only ones with problems in our legal system.
Title: Re: Ok we are in GRAVE danger! Post by: Vadertime on 2003-07-30, 23:31 Where a hole appears in the woodwork a worm will squease in. Such is the problem with all government and all economics. The crooks ALWAYS find a way. If the crooks gain control of the government, which they always do, they don't even sympathize with lesser crooks. Such is the way of greed, egotism, and double standards. These have infected every society from this one all the way back to the first cannibals with bones for jewelry. The struggle against corruption is an eternal battle.
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