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So pretty much you can't answer me why it was relatively peaceful prior the the declaration, you can only give me an account of something I already know and didn't ask for
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This is not some new problem and as much as you want to lay blame on the US and Israel the Arabs started the war with Israel in 1948, and it's Arabs who have been killing people in the name of their god for the last 50+ years - not Christians. You're absolutely right... What's 50+ years for Christians, who have been slaughtering people in the name of their god for several hundred years? Pertaining to this recent terrorist attack though; I'm glad it happened, as I'm sure the Spanish flag will make a far better line of merchadise than the American flag has. |
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dev/null - to be fair, Muslims have been killing other people for far longer than 50 years. Both of these religions have a fairly bloody history.
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dev/null - to be fair, Muslims have been killing other people for far longer than 50 years. Both of these religions have a fairly bloody history. I didn't say that the Muslims did have a clean history... But at least they have kept their jihads fairly concentrated, as opposed to spreading like a plague to engulf many various cultures in the most genocidal manner possible. But, I'm probably just slightly biased... Having one's ancestors systematically murdered and their home stolen will do that, I guess... Take the aforementioned case of Adolph Hitler, for example. We cry because the Jews were treated badly, but Christopher Columbus single handedly slaughtered more Native Americans than Hitler did Jews, and yet he has a f*cking holiday. Why? It?s not as if he discovered America, as we all know it?s simply impossible to discover a location where scores of beings already dwell. Even if not for the original and rightful inhabitants, the Norse had already trotted all over North America, and possibly even the Egyptians. So now I ask you, why is this villainous man?s legacy celebrated on a yearly basis? Because he killed, and that is the practice of Christianity. Perhaps not the taught basis, but certainly what is practiced. Of course, it shouldn?t surprise me; why else would a cult decide to use an ancient Roman torture device as their holy symbol? Certainly not to spread good cheer... |
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Agreed Dev, I guess things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, etc. don't count. Not only did they slaughter Muslims and Jews, but all other "backwards" pagans if they refused to convert and/or repent. But those are ancient history, nobody remembers those, you cover them for a few days in school and then move on, because unless it's an attack on Christian "normalcy", it doesn't get much more than a passing glance.
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Agreed Dev, I guess things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, etc. don't count. Not only did they slaughter Muslims and Jews, but all other "backwards" pagans if they refused to convert and/or repent. But those are ancient history, nobody remembers those, you cover them for a few days in school and then move on, because unless it's an attack on Christian "normalcy", it doesn't get much more than a passing glance. Inflamatory and off-topic.  |
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No you answered what happened during the creation, nothing about pre-1945 in that region. Why nothing about the relations between Jews and Arabs before 1945? because there isn't much to report The People of Spain have spoken, and they side with "Old Europe" Spain threatens Iraq troop pull-out http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3512144.stmBombs shake up war on terror http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3512894.stmThe Spanish socialist leader, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has already attacked the Americans and British.
"Mr Blair and Mr Bush must do some reflection and self-criticism. You can't bomb a people, you can't organise a war with lies," he said. Oh happy day! Chaulk one up for sanity. Now, one down, two to go (and no I'm not counting small people like Kwaśniewski) |
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Well Spain has proven terrorist tactics are infact effective. Other european nations can thank spain for coming terrorist attacks. Good job "old europe" you may as well just abandon democracy and adopt islamic talaban style goverments now and save time.
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There is no black. There is no white. Only infinite shades of gray.
600 people a year die from terroist attacks.
How many die from Aids?
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no Shambler killing 200 innocent people and wounding 1400 is black. nothing grey about it.
If you cant see black and white you cant see grey either.
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I agree, but:
The difference between the best of us and the worst of us is merely the thickness of a butterfly?s wing.
It is not as black as killing 200,000 as did our friend in Iraq
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more like 3,000,000 over the course of his 25 year reign. Or so the sanfrancisco chronicle would have me believe.
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What separates the best of us from the worst of us is our actions and choices. The difference between an angry man and a murderer is that one chooses to kill, and the other chooses not to. The difference between a brave man and a coward is that one chooses to stand his ground, the other chooses to flee. Both are afraid, and both choose to act, but one chooses the harder path. The same with the angry man. It is harder to restrain yourself and walk away than to lash out in rage. We all know this. The difference between us "good guys" and the terrorists is the terrorists see no problem with killing to get their way. Murder is just a tool to reach their ends, and their ends are just as bad as their means.
Some here will certainly argue that the US is no better for invading Iraq. History will tell once the fog clears, which may not be for a decade or more. Still, terrorists kill indiscriminantly. The US military goes out of its way to not kill civilians. Whether war is justified or not, whether you like the politics behind wars or not, there is a clear difference in methodology for the guys pulling triggers here. For a soldier, following orders is a large part of that, but tell one to kill non-combatant civilians and see what kind of reaction you get. The terrorist will shoot first and not care about the consequences. Their conscience is twisted into believing that murder and murder-suicide leads straight to heaven. When your conscience is corrupt, there is no reasoning. The dividing line is erased, and only black is left, but made to look white. That is the lie that brings them low. Blowing up trains full of innocent people just going about their business or crashing airliners into skyscrapers full of people doing the same is murder, nothing more, nothing less, and has absolutely no justification. It is evil, it is black as the pit of hell, and those who perpetrate such acts will end up with no less than that. Personally I'm happy to see their journey expedited by anyone with the guts to stand up to these killers. It's a pity that so few in the world have any backbone left to actually do something about this problem, and that the spinless wimps who refuse to act can only heap criticism and condemnation on the few who are willing and able to actually make a difference.
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anyone that might complain about us troops shooting lots of iraqis, ill quote a marine sargent after he was asked about a gunman 'He had a gun, and he was shooting at Marines. That's what I call a gunman.'"
When asked what he knew about the gunman, he replied "I know 2 things about him. He was shooting at my Marines. And he is dead." so to sum it up. shoot at marines = dead |
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'He had a gun, and he was shooting at Marines. That's what I call a gunman.'"
When asked what he knew about the gunman, he replied "I know 2 things about him. He was shooting at my Marines. And he is dead." I agree All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. You may tell a good man, for he will overcome his fear to do the right thing. |
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Evil begets evil. What the so-called coalition is doing is serving only to exacerbate the situation. They are fighting a war against an invisible enemy and going for all the wrong targets (we all know about Rummy's plans for invading Iraq again stretching as far back as 1997, but that's off-topic so I won't continue), meanwhile the terrorists are successfully pulling off hit'n'run attacks like the one seen in Madrid last week. And now Spain is the latest in a long line of nations giving a knee-jerk reaction. All that does is play into the hands of the extremists too.
So Spain could be pulling their troops out of Iraq and there's still no sign of Osama. I make that: Al-Qaeda 1, Coalition 0.
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Oh, I don't know. Those training camps in Afghanistan are kind of gone, or has everyone forgotten about the little invasion and swift ass-kicking delivered there? Osama is in hiding, along with Omar, same as Saddam was. Besides, everyone was saying "Where is Saddam? You stupid Americans will never find him. Show us Saddam." Well, they caught Saddam and a LOT of people shut up, didn't they? Well, until they found something ELSE to bitch about. Sooner or later Osama will slip up and he'll be caught or killed too. It's only a matter of time. The Iraqis are in the process of drafting a constitution even in the midst of these terrorist attacks. Oh yeah, latest reports confirm it. They're shooting civilians openly now folks, I told you they would. Troops shoot back so they're going for the soft and easy targets, as expected. Real brave to do drive-by shootings on missionaries working on providing clean water for the people. Yeah, real patriots there. Even so, the Iraqis have water and power, more so than ever under Hussein unless you believe Dan Rather and the usual liberal lying press. Most of the deck of cards is captured or killed, and Lybia (Let's not forget Lybia) is just ITCHING to play it safe and give up their own WMD program. "Old Europe" is whining and boo-hooing, and you have Kim Jong Ill (sp?), France, and the Socialist political party in Spain endorsing John Kerry (Because he'd go softer on them than Bush). How's that for progress? Appeasment doesn't work, blowing up the bad guys does. If you think you can appease these people, go back to Chamberlain in Munich trying to appease Hitler. It obviously worked then.
I'd say the coalition is doing a pretty good job myself. To hell with the press and to hell with cowardice. It's better to stand and fight than to live in fear with a gun pointed at your head.
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