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Title: I wanna learn how to map . (every mapper may help me)
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-02, 20:23
Iwanna learn how to map (I have 2 weeks to learn it .
I wanna have
1)basic tips
2)how to do things like portal and doors
3)sites where I can dwnld stuff like scripts and other .
4)other map related things


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-02, 20:40
Wow, two weeks is a pretty short deadline to learn how to map. I can suggest a few site that will get you started in the right direction though... At least I think it's the right direction, I seem to be doing okay so far ;)

Bubba's Arena (http://www.planetquake.com/bubba)

Quake III Radiant (http://www.planetquake.com/q3radiant)

Q3R (http://quake3.qeradiant.com)


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-03, 00:08
heh well it's kinda hard to learn howto map in just two weeks..

Some links: http://shaderlab.com (http://shaderlab.com) http://www.planetquake.com/lvl (http://www.planetquake.com/lvl)


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-03, 14:07
I have made my first books with 2 playersupport and no weapons . :) feel good today.
tommorow Im gonna  put in some lights and some weapons and maybe something to trigger..
thenits time for me to start on my reall project.

remaking sincity for sof 2  (map looks quietsimply in sin .
you can check it out dev , you have sin
for the others .
go to deja-review and see those made for quake .
(note the original has ladders and there is a climable fence in the alley .


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-04, 15:17
ok , my map is done in the way of . the buildings are there unskinned and there arent lights in , no ladders , no spawnpoints ,no weapons . but
now Im in trouble ,
I ned to make a fence in my map and I dont know how yo do that.
it has to be really thin .
exept that I also need a model from a crane (tabun any help pls )  
 how can you connect to rooms .with a door. (wich is button triggered.
and how can you give a model life so that it can be destroyed .

please answer my questions guys .



Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-04, 16:16
I don't know about Soldier of Fortune 2, but in Quake III there is a fence texture (It's in Base - Walls I think). You make a brush, put the fence texture on one side, and put a No Draw texture on the remaining five sides ;)

Triggered doors aren't really that hard (again, my knowledge is limited to Quake III), and I believe there is a tutorial on one of those websites I posted earlier in the thread, though they're aimed at Quake III mapping so I don't know how helpful they'll be.

As for destroying items, I have no idea... I know there's a way to make things explode in Quake III (I've seen several barrels do it).


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-04, 16:35
sof2 nd quake3 is almost the same only other weapons and you can make some items (even walls ) only show up in some gametypes .


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-04, 16:47
You can make items only show up in certain game types in Quake III also ;)


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-04, 17:37
can you do it with complete walls ????


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-04, 19:31
Not to my knowledge... Then again, my knowledge of mapping is pretty limited :P


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-04, 20:18
WELL IN SOF2 YOU CAN DO THAT :) bye the way Im searching for somekind of fire escape ladder .


(p.s. dev have you seen the  map in sin itself ??)


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-04, 21:15
Course u can do that in q3 too if im not wrong, ive never tried it but it should work.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-04, 22:45
1)im searching for a streetlight tight now.
2) I cant get my ladders to work .
3)how do I ad spawnpoints
4)I wanna trigger the light that way that when you hit abutton the light will go out, and stay out .
5)still searching how to make destroyable items.
6)still need a crane model .


help me here guys .


P.s. the complete base of the map is fineshed (it wasnt such a big ma in sin either .


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-06, 16:04
I have a problem and I need help . this time from pho or any other coder .

I need a function that does the following .

if its triggerded it has to turn for a couple of degrees , lets say 80 .
and then come back for 80 degrees .


the only thing i  can do tillnow is
or making it go to one side without turning and come back  .
or letting it keep turning around

help me please :(


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-08, 13:24
does anyone know of a program that can UNPACK bsp files.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-09, 16:37
please reply guys .


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-09, 18:43
Sorry dude, I can't help you on that one  :(


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Devlar on 2003-04-10, 19:57
Bsp2map turns BSP into Map files


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest_..::WHAT!? on 2003-04-11, 07:31
My Account won't let me log in! :angry:

ANYWAY.... I see in a few of your posts you have been looking for map models...   www.planetquake.com/polycount    - they keep a pretty good stock of custom models for your map  :thumb:


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-11, 08:39
nothing that I want there . need a crane model


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-11, 14:13
You could always build your own crane, probably wouldn't be too hard. A few girders, an operating booth and some tracks ;)


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-11, 18:13
sincity has come to a halt at the moment because of the guys over ther cant explain me how to make ladders  :blink:

working on biodm now. (no ladders )


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest on 2003-04-18, 15:48
help guys .
water doesnt work for me .
it is water . with the right texture but it is as hard as ice at -50 degrees  :thud:
so can sombody help me please:(


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-18, 20:54
First. check if the water you are using is a shader not a texture if the texture have a white frame in radiant it's a shader.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-19, 08:23
then what


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest on 2003-04-20, 15:27
I also have a problem with my textures.
in the editor they show up right sized . (after a bit of stretching and pushing . but in game theyre tiny so :(


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-20, 17:43
guest: hmm im not sure what you mean, what tool do you map with? and take a screenshot of the tiny texture, also try to avoid stretching textures because stretched textures looks very bad.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest on 2003-04-20, 20:12
that was me reboot.
fogot to log in . me
well the map is still in beta (no weapons 1 spawnpoint , etc.)
but I just wanned to stretch it out a little so they would fit .
about the water , I really dont knnow what i do wrong but its just like that that my water is hard as ice .


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-20, 21:46
goddamnit this forum sometimesjust doent want  to log me in  :angry:


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest_ROADKILL on 2003-04-21, 03:19
go over to http://sv1.3dbuzz.com (http://sv1.3dbuzz.com) and download the vtm's for
quake 3 you won't be sorry.
it'll give you a good foundation to build off of.
 :D


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-21, 09:21
As i said games keeper you MUST check if the "texture" is a water SHADER if the image in the editor got a WHITE border around it the texture is a shader thus it should be working water. this is basic i highly recommend you to read the radiant manual. however you can always make your own water shader.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-21, 11:20
think i found the problem .
I always make the bsp as a bsp2 file . maybe i have to make a bsp file from it.
but how do you do that  :blink:


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: dev/null on 2003-04-21, 15:11
Didn't your two week timeframe end last Wednesday?  :blink:


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest_games keeper on 2003-04-21, 15:26
nope. still continueing .
who knows maybe i will ever create my favorite doom map for quake 3 if i have this under control


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-21, 18:21
ok games keeper what do you mean with bsp2?????????


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-21, 20:20
you could pack your map file in diffirent forms .
you know . nolight ,1/2 light meta and ohers.
well in gtk radiant you pack them in bsp2 files (wich also gives ya a bsp file but with other entities i think .
while in sdk you can still pack in in bsp.
think bsp2 is the newsile not sure


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-04-22, 20:25
Ehr..the q3 bsp is still the same! you mean "q3map2" not BSP2 q3map2 is just another compiler, with some other features, it still writes the same bsp file as q3map.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest_games keeper on 2003-04-22, 20:54
yes thats it sorry for my mixup .
but still maye thats the problem .
now I downloaded sdk radiant.
I still cant work with it like gtk but its more sof2 stiled.
problem with that is if I write a bsp I never get wher he writes it to .


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-04-23, 20:03
new problem . I'm gonna upload the textures im gonna use for my map.
those textures just dont want to load up in my gtkradiant. can sombody tell me why after you saw them ?


this is the programs i all use
sdkradiant:  textures do load up in sdk radiant but there I cant make a bsp file
gtk radiant. water is hard as ice , textures dont show up (see above) default txtures sow up in it at right size (after putting them good. but in game there as tiny asa pink.
quark : lets just say I cant handle it.



Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest_games keeper on 2003-05-13, 19:22
can anyone tell me if you can trigger lights to go on and of with a button .???


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-05-13, 20:06
Games Keeper: im not sure what you said just there? what kind of textures are you using jpg or tga? You sure you put the textures in the right path?
Also there should be a sof2 map manual that you can read?

Bout the lights: in quake 3 you can't trigger the light, i guess it's the same in sof2.


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: games keeper on 2003-05-14, 11:54
ah shit . no triggering lights then  <_<  perfect plan goes to waste.


second question .
when you make a brush its a 4 side. or you can change it to 8 sides or 10 sides or whatever .
but  can you make a brush and cut it in2 in a patern.
I need to make this pattern

_______
I oo / ooI                                          
I  oo\ oo I
I oo / ooI
I__/___ I



its actually has to be a door thats cutted out in that form .

P.s. map is 55% finished .
I use many light. (maybe a bit to many at some places . and the blue tech color gives ya a bit doom3 feelings.
at this moment there is also a candymachine wich you can shoot the glass out and steal the things that are in it (not candy) took me some work but it works .



Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: Guest on 2003-05-14, 14:41
Yes you can form brushes almost how you like but for that door you make i should make four brushes and drag each edge on each brush using the edge tool (e key)


Title: Re: I wanna learn how to map .
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-05-14, 14:43
gah i didnt log in.. o_O guest is me.