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Title: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet? (And If So, Post Your Feelings About It..)
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-15, 15:44
I'm probably going to go see it some time next week myself  :thumb:


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-05-15, 16:11
I wanna see 2


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Demonwench on 2003-05-15, 17:20
I'm going to see it soon as I'm done wtih my hell week of finals...I swear they're trying to kill us this year!!  6 finals!!


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: [WaRdeN] on 2003-05-15, 18:06
Saw it May 14th, awesome. Got a little cartoonish/corney at times with the wire-fu but that's what wire-fu is... Hopefully plan on seeing it again this weekend with my Dad.

BTW

Watch through the end of the credits, you wont be sorry.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-15, 18:46
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Got a little cartoonish/corney at times

Yes, I thought the part where Neo was fighting the multiple Agent Smiths in the preview looked a little cartoony myself.

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Watch through the end of the credits, you wont be sorry.

Ah yes, the Revolutions trailer?  :D

I think I?m anticipating the release of the Animatrix as much as I am about seeing Reloaded? I?ve seen six of the ten thus far, and I have been pretty impressed.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: ConfusedUs on 2003-05-15, 21:10
I agree with ward. Was really fun


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-05-24, 16:02
it was a good movie .
matrix 1 is still better.
but then again.

still dont get a part.

the part when neo is fighting all those agents
there is an agent looking trough the fence.
other agent appears and agent 1 is saying" you? "
agent 2 "yes me "
and he changes the agent into an agent ?????


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-24, 18:14
As I understand it games keeper (I still haven't seen the movie though, DAMNIT!) Smith is a virus, thus he "infects" other agents... I think


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Hedhunta on 2003-05-25, 03:46
saw it today.. kicked ass..  im starting to wonder whats going on with CG, some cg companies are doing an AWESOME job.. (saw the second harry potter movie today too, the little slave elf dabu or whatever, COMEPLETELY convinced me he was in the movie.. LOTR with gollum also comes to mind with convincing CG.. ) but others cant seem to do as well.. (certain scenes in this movie, and spider man come to mind here).. so i dont know.. otherwise, it was an AWESOME movie.. and im looking forward to the end of the story..


oh.. and small spoiler, my favorite part was how the architect told him he couldnt save trinity no matter what.. then neo took off at like warp9 and saved her anyway... although it kinda gives away that he is going to win the war in revolutions...


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-25, 04:50
I saw a preview for The Hulk today... That was some really ugly CG (Blade II comes to mind as well) :(


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-05-25, 13:21
the part weir the hulk swigs away the tank is sporking weird .
and spiderman was a bad movie .
the cartoons where much better.


and the best part about the matrix I thought was that  he could feel the robots at the end (and ofcours the speedway fight )


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: OmEgA-X on 2003-05-25, 19:37
why do they keep makin movies about super heroes anyway?  :unsure:


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-25, 21:45
Probably because they hope one of them will be as good as Blade or X-Men (Haven't seen X2 yet) :P


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: pepe on 2003-05-25, 22:02
i was actually quite disappointed after matrix2

it felt like it was an afterthought the whole film just because the first was a huge succes

the logical errors in the plot grows and the computeranimation sucked
id say that hollywood should leave the wire-fu to hong-kong and golden harvest instead

and even though gollum is ok and the little house elf dobby isnt half bad
computer animation and bluescreen are the devil of special effects

it ruins the mood most of the time (and the acting gets less belivable since the actors dont generate a feeling of prescense, like in the newer starwars movies were some scenes are all bluescreen)
and you cant computer animate one of the actors and make it look belivable
the scene with multiple smiths are way to long
its almost as long and corny as the final fight in the motion picture "fist of the north star" where they duke it out for a solid half hour

all in all i dont know if ill see revolutions at the cinema i may just rent it because im not all that crazy about this sequel so i doubt ill like the next one


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Phoenix on 2003-05-26, 05:59
From a modeler's standpoint I thought the CG is excellent.  What's everyone bitching about?  The fact that they can CG believable human and animal characters is amazing to me, considering the complexity of it.  First time I saw Jurassic Park I got weepy, it's been 65 million years or so since those wondrous creatures walked this world and that's the first time I've seen anything even CLOSE to believable for an on-screen representation, and that was how many years ago they filmed that?  Some work was puppetry, some was CG, but it looked GOOD.  Look at what they're doing for Halflife and Doom 3, and those are GAMES!  I remember all the old cheesy black and white dinosaur movies where everything was clay animation and it looked so horrible, everything about them was wrong, and it disgusted me.  How about the string and wire Dracula bats, hmm?  Would you rather go back to that kind of stuff?  Granted not all CG is perfect, but my attitude is if you can do any better then go get hired and do so, otherwise STFU, sit back, and just enjoy the damned movie.  I swear you people are so flocking spoiled.  Quit being so critical about the effects and appreciate what these people can do!

Oh yes, Matrix.  End of rant, I thought it was good, althought I think the stuff in Zion was a tad slow, and they certainly could have done with a bit LESS skin exposure.  Some of the parts of the movie raised quite a few questions which I'm sure will be answered in the third installment, such as HOW could Neo do what he did at the end of the film?  (won't say what so I don't spoil it for people)  I really look forward to seeing THAT answered in particular. :ph34r:


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: ReBoOt on 2003-05-26, 08:32
iv'e not seen matrix reloaded but about CG graphics i dont understand why ppls bitch about those CG effects....they make the movie a hell lota better than it whould be with minatyrs, or "dolls" i rember when star wars ep.1 was released, i enjoyed the CG effects but it seems like ppls hate it..why?


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Arno on 2003-05-26, 11:44
The scene where Neo fights the 100 Agent Smith's is amazing. It felt like a roller-coaster ride. I enjoyed every second of it. The CG was actually excellent. It's the fact that 100 copies of the same person looks unnatural and therefor people think the CG was bad. But the CG was one of the best I've seen. Just because something looks impossible doesn't mean it looks fake.

Apart from all the great special effects, I enjoyed the philosophical discussions in the movie as well. Especially the conversation with the Architect really brought a new dimension to the story.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-05-26, 16:17
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First time I saw Jurassic Park I got weepy, ..
they gave the film last night again.
and I still like the effects in it. but I saw some
freaky weird stuff in the movie.

1)how come the boy flies of the wires when they put on the power .
2)at every moment in the film you can feel and here the T-rex from miles away.
and when at the end of the movie the litlle deinonygus gets eaten by the him . it pops up from out of nowhere.
3)th girl hides herself in the oven. and the dinosaur sees it. and runs to it.
how come my cat doesnt see himself in the mirror ( I know birds can but other animals  :huh:  )
4)also in the kitchen. why dont the little animals just smell where the children are instead of looking for them .
5)the program where the girl locks the doors with . looks very weird I think.
7)the boy isnt doing anything when the girl is on the Pc and the adults are blockig the door.
at that point the guy wants to grab the gun but he cant .
why cant the boy give him the gun.



about the matrix . yes hats a question i want to know and also theother 1 I mentioned before .


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Hedhunta on 2003-05-26, 18:03
scenes i was thinking of were the flight scene.. and right before neo takes off after fighting the 1000 agents.. something was off, i dont think it was the modelling, but maybe the texturing on his jacket looked wrong.. not quite sure was it was.. but it looked a bit weird..


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-26, 18:31
Phoenix, the special effects in all three Jurassic Parks were great (even if the plot in III was lame). But that?s because no one has ever actually seen a dinosaur before (I?m still a fan of the feathered theory myself), while we see humans every day. I don?t think computers are able to create a seemingly fluid range of humanoid movements to fool most people into believing it?s real. That?s what separates those points.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Phoenix on 2003-05-26, 23:14
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1)how come the boy flies of the wires when they put on the power .

High-voltage will do that.  It's high amperage that grabs you and clamps you down.

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2)at every moment in the film you can feel and here the T-rex from miles away.  and when at the end of the movie the litlle deinonygus gets eaten by the him . it pops up from out of nowhere.

If you heard it, it wouldn't be a surprise now would it?  The raptors were being noisy anyway

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3)th girl hides herself in the oven. and the dinosaur sees it. and runs to it.
how come my cat doesnt see himself in the mirror ( I know birds can but other animals  :huh:  )

That was a reflection the dino ran into, not the oven.  Cats can see themselves in the mirror, they just ignore the reflection because it has no smell.

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4)also in the kitchen. why dont the little animals just smell where the children are instead of looking for them .

They did sniff the air, but you still have to be line of sight to kill something, unless you have a grenade.

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5)the program where the girl locks the doors with . looks very weird I think.

It's part of the script.

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7)the boy isnt doing anything when the girl is on the Pc and the adults are blockig the door.
at that point the guy wants to grab the gun but he cant .
why cant the boy give him the gun.

He's a little boy, and he was scared.  It was also part of the script.  Also on the phone with Hammond you could hear gunshots.  It obviously didn't stop the raptor.  And what happened to 6? :P [/color]



Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-05-27, 16:09
boy cant fly of the wire.
1) the guy is only toughing the wire and all the wires are L1 and not 1 is N and he isnt toughing it .
 its the same as toughing 1 telephonewire , nothing happens .
else all the birds who sit on them would be screwed to ashes .
2) if there would be 10000 V on it . dont expect to fall of .
you will stick to it because all your muscles cramp together and your fingers will even grab the wires even harder.  = guy cant fly of .


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: dev/null on 2003-05-27, 20:25
Here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2940270.stm) and interesting link which pertains to the topic  ;)


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: pepe on 2003-05-29, 12:18

the dinosaurs in jurrasic park are nice pho

whats not nice is when you have a stunt and you see that its supposed to look like keeanu but the went and CG:d it instead that spoils it for me

and as far as stopmotion goes i liked the way the thing luke rode on hoth moved before lukas touched it up

granted not all special effects were good back then but the almost extensive use of computers in the newer movies is worse

spoiled or not i think it looks flat and it doesnt make me feel awe at the grand setting it just makes me think nice prerendered background

and having actors walking trough a totaly generated background makes them loose their sense of beeing in the film wich makes theor acting poorer imo

you may not agree with me but this is my wiew of the matter


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: McDeth on 2003-06-04, 08:09
I thought it was alright. I mean, there was 20 minutes if Neo banging Trinity that was wholly unessesary. I mean please. And the whole dance scene. Whatever. Morbious makes a speech, everyone's excited...whatever.

"WE WILL FIGHT, WE ARE NOT AFRAID! .......but first let's have a 20 minute orgy."

Wrong! I think the director has a problem if he thinks a 20 minute sex scene fits in with the matrix. Maybe on the dvd they will have the "Play movie without the useless phucking"  I do think I present a good point, know?


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-06-04, 11:49
yea some scenes where stretched waaay to long .
the 1 vs 100 scene was actually a bit to long , the orgie to and also the fight against the frenchdude hengemen  in the weaponroom.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Dicion on 2003-06-04, 17:00
Quote from: games keeper
yea some scenes where stretched waaay to long .
the 1 vs 100 scene was actually a bit to long , the orgie to and also the fight against the frenchdude hengemen  in the weaponroom.
spork no.. not the fight in the weaponroom.. i thought that was like the best fight in the film.. just the right length.. plus it was the first 'matrix' fight where weapons were used extensively... that was cool in itself.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: McDeth on 2003-06-04, 19:27
I liked the agent Smiths scene. It was absolutely hilarious the way Neo was hitting them with a pole.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Tabun on 2003-06-05, 00:33
seen it. Good action, but I didn't like the movie for itself. Bad layout of scenes, tension buildup gave me that 'stay tuned and spend more money on our broadcasts'-televisionshow feeling (which I hate ;)).
I loved the fighting scenes, even though they were a bit lengthy, and the scene where neo&trinity's love for eachother is supposedly expressed in a wild sex-scene completely fails to achieve this effect for me.

The added complexity to the story, philosophy and enigma of 'the matrix' is what I liked best about this movie. Where The Matrix was rather simple and the prophecy seemed a bit 'too-good-to-be-true'. Reloaded sort of stripped the fairy tale away and added a harsh, yet deep layer to the story.
Most notably the scene with the Architect, where Neo (and the viewer) gets the facts shoved up his arse, and the scene where Neo feels the sentinels were the highlights of this movie. The latter opening up a fresh discussion about the possibility of layered matrices (recursion can go a LONG way :)).

P.S. What is toughing a wire? Sounds erotic...
P.P.S And the bit about birds getting screwed to ashes.. sounds like phoenix to me.. only in an erotic sense (again) (and that can't be good)


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Lilazzkicker on 2003-06-05, 12:40
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boy cant fly off the wire.
1) the guy is only touching the wire and all the wires are L1 and not 1 is N and he isnt toughing it .
its the same as touching 1 telephonewire , nothing happens .
else all the birds who sit on them would be screwed to ashes

Actually, it was like an electrified fence, ever touch one of those?
The whole fence isnt electrified due to the fact all the chain links are not making solid contact so many electrified lines run through the fence. Though this is not the case here


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-06-05, 18:47
lillaz my point here is.
if you touch an electrified fence and your in midair while you touch it. you dont feel a thing.

see it like this .
if you have a battery for the fence his power.
the fence would be the + and the ground would be the -
and you cant let a lamp work without 1 of the 2 .
so if you only touch the fece (like the boy did , you cant fell shit .

if I  would live in your neighberhood and there was a fence there I would proof it to you (only the one where i only touch the fence and not the ground. )
although I have to say that I did do a game with my friends wich was holding on an electrified line for as ling as possible . 12V
I won it with 36 seconds . :)


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Tabun on 2003-06-05, 19:14
pho just explained what happened. read the posts people! :]


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Lilazzkicker on 2003-06-05, 20:43
Games, ussually when you touch an object your body is making contact with at least one other item, a fence....2-4 points of contact/grip, as for the boy in JP, he had both hands and both feet making contact......boom, also, military fences have a tendecy to run the live wires through the razor wire at the top of the fence, since chain link makes a poor conductor, as not all the links in the fence are making solid contact with each other, meaning once you try to get over the top your still getting zapped, and your off the ground

btw: pho stated what high voltage can do to you


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Dicion on 2003-06-05, 21:08
Quote from: Lilazzkicker
btw: pho stated what high voltage can do to you
Sadly, i must agree with Gameskeeper in this one.. as much as i dont want to..

Holding a High voltage wire will do nothing to you if there is not a place for that voltage to flow..  his 'birds on a power wire' is actually a great example...

So if the entire fence in JP was electrified at the same voltage, then no.. nothing would have happened to him up there... voltage doesnt do anything.. current is what shocks,throws, etc... I work on high voltage systems all the time.. and if you're, for example, on a wooden ladder, you can grab all the 600v lines you want.. as long as thats ALL you grab... ANY potential difference will cause current. EG, dont grab a 600V line and a 400V line..
there's still 200V potential between them... As with electric fences.. they have the X volt line.. and the ground... ground is ground, 0v, reference...

If you dont believe me, i will gladly demonstrate sometime... i'll even do it on our 300AMP rectifier systems at my workplace for you.... or you can do this yourself (dont try this at home if you're stupid)

1) get insulating metereal. rubber mat, wooden ladder, etc etc
2) grab Positive terminal on you're car battery

Congradulations.. your body is now +12v while you're holding that terminal.. if you were to touch the car body, ground, or almost ANYTHING else.. you would be zapped, possibly killed... but as long as you're insulated.. you're fine

If you doubt me, come to quakecon, and i will show you :)

you can also hold a drop of liquid nitrogen in your hand, even in your mouth on your tounge... and not get injured... that's next week..



Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Tabun on 2003-06-05, 21:47
i don't doubt you're right - but for the sake of this case - i'm assuming that the jurrasic-park architect came up with a clever futuristic way of dealing with this, since  they'd obviously wanted to prevent dino's from climbing over the fences ;]


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Phoenix on 2003-06-06, 03:04
You're all forgetting that raptors can leap, so just charging the fence with a single line that shorts to ground (typical electric fence) would NOT work.  Yes I'm well aware that birds can perch on a power line, but only a SINGLE power line.  They've had a lot of ospreys and other birds of prey killed because the birds would nest on top of the poles, and when they'd try to land sometimes their wings would touch TWO power lines.  That completes a circuit, with the poor bird being the short.  This is also why newer power poles have the lines running above one another instead of side-by-side.  

Electricity takes the path of least resistance, but it will also take any path available, otherwise electronic circuits would not work at all if a resistor was put across two wires.  If you want proof just stick your finger in a light socket and see what happens.  As for the fence if you notice it's made of multiple lines, with non-conducting tension mesh running through it to keep them from touching each other and also acting as a physical barrier.  The boy was touching more than one, same situation as the bird touching two power lines.  That means he was completing a circuit between the line he was holding with his hands, and the line he was touching with his feet.  A high voltage spike through the body will cause you to convulse.  People have been thrown across a room with as little as 110 volts from a wall socket.  10,000 volts would be more than enough to do this to a small boy.  The current in these lines was undoubtedly strong enough to stop his heart, but he wasn't held in place long enough for the high voltage to depolarize his central nervous system, which is how the electric chair works.  That's why the paleontologist was able to revive him with CPR.  Amperage stops the heart, high voltage without amperage to back it up only shocks unless it goes through the entire body.  Otherwise stun guns and the small tesla coils and van de graff generators used in science classrooms would be lethal.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-06-06, 16:06
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The boy was touching more than one wire
if you see good you would see that all those wires are connected to eachother with vetical wires. ;)

goddamnit all of you .
go look at the movie .
if you look good ad the wires you see that there all connected to eachother . so there all + and so the ground has to be - no other way .
th boy cant fly of .


now all go watch the movie and just say
"yes games keeper youre right , it is a fault in the movie "

that the raptors can leap thats also a fault then in the movie .


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Tabun on 2003-06-06, 16:17
the wires are connected vertically, sure - but it's not like you can see WHAT they're connected with? Could it perhaps be some kind of kevlar/rubber that doesn't create a circuit? Yes it could! Now why didn't I think of that - oh wait, I just did :]


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-06-06, 21:16
goddamnit guys go see the movie again .

I am right, you guys are wrong thats it .


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Lilazzkicker on 2003-06-06, 22:10
GK, all it would takes to connect the vertical wires is a non conductive material.

End of Topic.


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: games keeper on 2003-06-06, 22:54
go watch the movie .


end of topic


Title: Re: Has Anyone Seen The Matrix Reloaded Yet?
Post by: Phoenix on 2003-06-07, 03:51
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As for the fence if you notice it's made of multiple lines, with non-conducting tension mesh running through it to keep them from touching each other and also acting as a physical barrier.
Games, please read things thoroughly before posting for a change.  YOU are wrong.  You're also in denial. ^_^

End of topic, before this becomes a useless flamewar.