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Why do the earth class' Gatling Guns have lasers on them?  It doesn't seem quite fitting to me.

There's laser sights on the gats?  Tight.

Seriously why is there laser sights. The gats are of course from wolf wich takes place  in WWII and  they didnt have laser sights back then.  and i see new smilies yay.

DO NOT ABUSE THE SMILEYS

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well the mortar isnt from back then and the sniper rifle is a modern sniper rifle


jesus people allow for some discrepancies if you want ww2 authenticy go play ww2 or dod o mohaa wichever fits the bill best

the earth arsenal isnt all from ww2 its inspired by wolf3d and not true to wolf3d that would be imbalanced (no jumping not looking up down and only 5 weapons) so please why do you question things like this?

even if they were ww2 gats whats to say he didnt steal the laser sight from the arena dudes shotgun when he killed him?

and lastly and think about this hard now: does it really i mean really matter? well does it?

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/cg_drawgun 0 if it really offends you.  Or make your own skin.  Plenty of options for the enterprising soul I'm sure you are.

Also, I do believe that it was established some time ago that you don't have any room to talk about this game mojo, since you obviously have no idea how to play.  Why don't you go back to your Minesweeper, I'm sure it still loves you.

At first (back while I was skinning it) I kind of wondered what the hell laser sights were doing on such a spammy weapon as the gatling gun. Later, my 6th sense kicked in (it has that delay, you know). The laser gives it that distinction a weapon as bland as a chaingun needs. Although it doesn't make much sense, it looks pretty neat (and carrying/using 2 gats at the same time doesn't make a whole lot of sense either ;)) - and it makes it stand out.
The gatling gun is THE earth weapon. With its akimbo firing availability, it makes earth the deadliest spammer on the battlefield. The laser only helps you to identify the weapon, as well as give it that personal touch ;]

Don't try to disect Gen the realistic-mod type way - we're all for fantasy!

With as rarely as you get out, you'd have to be.

 :omfg:

take your offensive posts to the CC forum, you daylight-shunning-gamer, you :]

Edit: I mean it  Twi. If you want to play games and piss me off for a lark, you don't hear me complain - but DON'T do it on the board - use IRC.

You're just pissed you left yourself that wide open.  Don't hate.

And it's a CONDITION dammit, the doctor says too much sun is a no-no.

actually, i beleive earth is based on all 20th century weaponry, putting the mortar and sniper rifle into his category, seeing how doom is next, youd assume that doom is  30th centuryish, and so on for slip, stroggos, and arena.. theyre all about 100 years apart give or take a few decades..

I always thought it was somewhat of a homage to the Q3 shotgun, a parody even. I mean, come on, a laser sight on a shotgun? Double barreled no less. Unless you're using slugs or something, you don't exactly need the accuracy of a laser to hit something with shot. ;)

There was a similar argument when Ren first put out a gat model with a laser sight. After a buncha arguing we decided that it was just too nifty to leave out. It was more for the laughs than anything. ;)

Me too

We all decided that it looked Damn Cool™, and decided to keep it.  As for laser sights on shotguns, why do SWAT teams put lasers on tactical shotties then?  Actually a "real" laser sight on a gat would make perfect sense in real life since a mounted gatling gun is actually an extremely accurate weapon.  It's only because the thing is hefted that it sprays in Gen.  Notice that carrying two makes you spray more?  The theory behind the Earth weapons (my personal take on this anyway, based loosely on the Gen story Lee started) is that that Sarge picked up various weapons along the way between the WWII era and the Doom era when the Vadrigar finally took him.  He could have slapped some lasers on it, or maybe the Vadrigar in bringing the weapons into the Arena decided they wanted to (just like the Q3 shotty).  The Earth mortar was a damned effective infantry weapon in the post-modern but pre-doom era that was replaced by the Doom rocket launcher when the need arose in the Space Marine Corps for a personal/mounted rocket launcher that could work in vacuum at zero G without causing undue thrust against the shooter.  Notice the massive muzzle brake at the end and the two top holes for escaping gas on the barrel of the Doom launcher?  And you thought it was just for decoration, hehe.  The mortar visibly recoils in the game.  It's great for groundwork, but aweful for a spacewalk.  The rifle was picked up from the present day, the gats, MP-40, and luger from WWII.  The napalm launcher is also post-modern pre-Doom.

let me explain it pho .
its hard to aim with 2 gats .because you cant line them up with your eye.
this way it would be inpossible even if you could carrie 2 of them to aim with it .
so for better aim they put a laser on each gat. this way blaze could see where he is pointing those 2 nifty things to .
if he wouldnt have those 2 things. he could shoot completely of target :)

you could shoot completely off target with any weapons, they dont all have laser sights though.

think about it, you dont have crosshairs imprinted on your eyes in reallife.

Well YOU don't.  Some of us are just  :hat:  like that.

i just go in with dual gats shootin..hopein for a frag  :evil:

I DO!!!

you could use a reddot sight like aimpoint per example thats kinda like having a crosshair
it doesnt magnify put makes for easier target acusition(spell?) then the standard iron sights

or use the zoom wich equals a telescopic sight  :P

either way you cat hit anything while shooting from the hip anyway so this is a rather stupid argument

attempts have failed to make a man-held gattling gun simply because it gets to heavy its not practical but it looks cool
thats why you see it in movies like predator and terminator 2

i dont like theese:  "-that isnt very realistic, is it?" remarks thats starting to pop up
generations isnt a realistic mod and you cant demand:
authencicy or realism

its make belive

Here's a couple of things generations will never be:

1. exactly like the original games
2. exactly how you'd like to see it
3. exactly like you're used to in tha hood, homey (ie. realism)

the gap on 1 & 2 is closing, but it will never be totally so - live with it ;]
there is only one way to close the gap on 3 - join an army/clan/gang and fight any number of worthless wars going on ;]

so it could be that gen will include UFOs in the game :D

GK: you keep amazing me with your comments...

Compare your latest one in this topic with the following:

If a certain person T would mention that a certain mixed-drink would certainly not contain wodka, whiskey or orange-juice, a certain person G would reply to this with something like 'so you're saying the drink could contain the planet mars?' or 'so you're saying the drink may be a cure for cancer?'

The answer two all three is ofcourse, no.
No it couldn't be, no it couldn't and no again, it may not. These answers are final ;]

Actually, there are documented accounts of men hefting belt-fed machineguns on foot in battle.  Guys did it with the M-60 "pig" in 'Nam, the M-249 SAW is routinely carried by the USMC for rear guard position on Chinooks, but the best situation I know of was a night situation during WWII where a guy had set up water-cooled machinegun posts to defend an airfield on an island the US had captured but had not fully secured.  He and his troops at a forward position took down a bunch of enemy soldiers when they tried to sneak up on the base, using a simple tin-can tripwire alarm.  He had to ferry ammo back and forth to the other gun positions since there were more troops incoming than they had expected, and when he went back to his gun to reload it he nearly got his head blown off by a Japanese soldier who set up a namboo machinegun before he could re-arm his own weapon.  Well the Japanese soldier's burst missed him by a few inches, and he nailed the other guy after getting his gun un-jammed.  He then PICKED UP THE GUN and carried the thing on foot, mowing down the enemy squad that had slipped past by following them with the gun in-hand.  A water-cooled Browning machinegun is a heavy SOB, 41 lbs and that's without the ammo, and had never been used like this before.  Here's a picture of one:

http://www.1919a4.com/manuals/images/RAPD4164.jpg (http://www.1919a4.com/manuals/images/RAPD4164.jpg)

The defunct minigun variant XM241 weighed around 33 lbs without ammo, and that's INCLUDING the motor and battery.  A recoil or gas-operated gatling gun would be a quite a bit lighter than that, so with ammo it would be entirely possible to carry for a REALLY strong guy.  Now carrying TWO gatling guns... well, I can see where Blaze might be able to, but Mynx?  Well, this IS a game, after all!  Besides, where does Grunt hide all 10 of his guns anyway?  I think "realism" elements should be viewed like this.  If adding an amount of realism improves the gameplay, adds a unique quality to something, or in some-way the general fun, then go for it.  If it's an impediment and spoils things, then why wreck the game with it?  :biggun:

you should have more questions when you ask
" where does john mullins hide all his weapons in sof "
and that has to be a more reallism mode
:)

and tab.
yes I think there could be UFos in generations arena.
with resurgence coming up good chance someone makes a UFO as an enemy and you have to shoot those .
and even without a UFO is an unindetified Flyig Object.= lost soul , icarus , flyer . :)

GK: you also forgot Cacodemons, Pain Elementals, Tar Babies and those Flying Hitlers from Spear of Destiny... tsk tsk

Edit: And also the Boss creature thing from the Q2 Big Gun episode

maybe i dont know the difference between a mini-gun and a gattling gun then pho

i was referring to the rotating multi-barrels type of amchine gun not the belt-fed one

Miniguns and gatling guns are the same exact thing (unless you're talking in old times, where the gatling gun were actually cranked by hand...)... both have rotating barrels and are belt-fed. No such thing as a clip loaded mini/gatling gun. The actual term for them is a Vulcan, but no one seems to call them that any more. Now miniguns and chainguns are actually different. Chainguns really only use 1 barrel to shoot from, but whatever. :)

chainguns = chain driven by a motor, hence the name chain-gun. miniguns are smaller, usually with more barrels, and are direct machine driven by a system of gears... hence why miniguns generally fire ALOT faster..

Besides, it's not like the gats were realistic back in Wolfenstein without the laser sites since they weren't used in WW2. I don't care whether the lasers on the gats are realistic or not. I just think they look kinda dumb, particularly since they just extend about a foot, then misteriously disapear. They don't look like laser sites, they look like folding radio antenea or something that someone painted red. Laser sites don't actually make red beams shoot out anyway, they just project a red dot on the wall, unless there's fog or something for the beam to reflect off of, not that it's a realism issue, it's more of a simple logic issue. Also, since the gats are one of the earth weapons that actually was in Wolf, as opposed to the mortar or sniper rifle, logic would have it that they look like the guns from Wolf. IMO, the laser on the Q3 shotgun was dumb, but continueing that idea (espccially in the first person view of the weapon) is worst. I don't mean to be flaming Tabun or anything here, I'm just talking personal aesthetics.