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The fact that Israel's military is the fourth most powerful and advanced military on the planet is not propaganda. The fact that the IDF routinely shoots people throwing rocks at soldiers wearing standard protective gear designed to protect them from high-speed shrapnel who happen to be sitting in tanks or armored personnel carriers is not propaganda. The fact that fighter aircraft have been used by the IDF in attempts to kill individual people in public areas is not propaganda. The fact that peoples' homes have been demolished by bulldozers is not propaganda. I've never read anything that's come out of Al Jazeera, let alone Pravda. However, I could easily say that you've been swayed by propaganda yourself, since you seem incapable of seeing the Palestinians as anything besides some faceless, monstrous other that can only be dealt with using force.


That is most definitley not a fact, that is a blanket statement condemning a pretty large chunk of humanity as being incapable of desiring peace. If I were truly as stuck on anti-semetic propaganda as you say, I wouldn't have bothered to differentiate between the IDF, the government of Israel, and every other Jewish person on the planet. See, actual anti-semites don't give a damn about fine distinctions like that, they're all a bunch of Jewish filth and it doesn't matter where they live or what they do. Having actually gone toe-to-toe with honest-to-goodness anti-semetic, racist neo-Nazi scum, I've got to say the comparison is pretty damned insulting. They're the same people that've tried to latch themselves on to the Palestinian issue solely due to their very real and undifferentiated hatred of all Jews everywhere, and thusly have been told by pretty much everyone involved in supporting the rights of Palestinians where they can go, what they can do when they get there, and to do it until they break something off.


I have actually read Bible prophecy. I used to be Christian. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  See, I know that the "nobody HAS to go to that place" bit is dependant upon acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior. Don't accept Jesus, go to Hell, go directly to Hell, burn for eternity, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Just one of the many "do as we say, or God'll get ya" lines that finally got me fed up with the whole racket. So please don't patronize me with this "But you haven't read the REAL truth" stuff. There is no "real truth" that can justify to me the idea of sentencing people who ordinarily might qualify for sainthood to eternal torment simply because they aren't buddies with Jesus. Which would include any Jews that didn't convert. As far as Christians go, what you call spin and distortions, I call real life experiences dealing with people who think they know the "real truth" of existance and that everyone who thinks differently is at best, stupid and wrong, at worst, wicked and in league with "Satan".

I dont know what kind of christians you have been talking to. You may want to consider that jerry farwell dosent  represent every christian in the world.

yeah, the israelis kicked butt in the 5 seperate wars that have been declared upon them. wonder what would happen if the US didnt have them on a leash so to speak.

Nice try, but you're way off the mark.  Have I once said the Israeli government should wipe the Palestinian people off the map?  No, I remember condemning the Jordanian government for doing the very same thing to them within Jordan's borders.  Don't confuse my support for the right of Israel to defend itself with defacto sponsorship of genocide.  I desire to see peaceful coexistance between all concerned parties.


From what you have said, in your mind it's still Israel's fault no matter what happens or who starts it in the first place.  Your mind is already made up, so why bother trying to persuade you that Israel should continue to exist as a nation when you see the Palestinians as justified in everything they do and the Israelis as justified in nothing they do?  Do you desire to see Israel gone as well?  What is your desire in regards to the middle east?  I personally have nothing against the Palestinians surviving.  I WANT them to coexist peacefully with their Jewish neighbors.  It is their choices - not my view of them - that dictate their actions.  By their actions they demonstrate their intentions.  Railing against me does not undo historical fact, and I've presented plenty of historical facts that demonstrate the intent of the Arab world at large that you continue to outright ignore in favor of your biased position.


There's no such thing as a "has-been" Christian.  You either accepted Jesus into your heart sincerely, or you never did at all.  If you really believed with all your heart then you are still forgiven.  God does not give then take away that precious gift.  If not, and you never truly accepted this gift, well there's still time for you to change your mind. ;)


Alright, you brought this up so I will correct you on this error.  The saved cannot be judged, for they are already saved.  The saved also cannot be given up from death and hell at this judgement since they are already resurrected into new bodies.  Those being judged by their works, and checked against the book of life are the unsaved.  Would it surprise you if I said non-Christians may be written in the book of life?  I can prove this as well.

Romans 2:12 - 2:16: For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Those who have never heard the Gospel will be judged according to their works and their conscience.  Only those who hear the gospel, understand it, and choose to outright reject it, or those who are hypocrites claiming to believe the gospel while with their actions doing otherwise are guaranteed their fate.  This rejection has to be pretty damned stubborn as well as God gives people a lifetime full of chances.  Has it ever occured to you just why God takes so much time and effort to try to get people to listen?  If God was so quick to judge and condemn, then why even bother sending Christ to die in your place and mine in the first place?  Why not just strike everyone down, cast them into hell and be done with it?  I have your answer for that too, and it's II Peter 3:7-3:9:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

That is the mercy of God.  He wants everyone to be saved.  Those who end up in the lake of fire get there by their own choice.


I'm sure you've read the same bible I have, but that doesn't mean you've gotten the same things out of it, and the attitude you're displaying toward Christians mirrors the same fallacies I hear from those ignorant of what Christianity is.  Do I think you're wrong?  You bet!  Do I think you're stupid?  No.  However, I do think you are blind to a great many things.  You've certainly chosen to see only the negative side of Christianity and completely ignored the positive.  If your real life experiences have been only negative, then for that I am sorry, as you have missed a great deal of wonderful things.  If you've encountered only hypocrites, then depart the hypocrisy, yes, but turning away from God will solve nothing.  This is your choice of course.  As far as judgement is concerned, where have I judged you?  Have I once said you are going to hell?  Where have I condemned you?  Only God has authority to judge one's eternal status, and only God decides who will and will not receive salvation.  As He said himself, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."  Any so-called Christian who says "You're going to burn in hell!"  should worry about their own salvation first.  Only God knows the hearts of men.  I have not judged you, I am quite sad to see that you are quite eager to stand in judgement over me.