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I don't get this. How can this still happen? After all that has happened...

Because there is still evil in the world, and people who are willing to kill anyone and everyone to try and have their way.

dont they have security? if so then did they just stand back and let it happen?

Turns out now there were 4 bombs, and one was on a bus.
a lot of people have been killed. I beleive that the final bomber couldn't get on a train as the underground system had been closed, so he/she got on a full bus, it being full because the trains were off.

We must never give in.

news: they think they have found another bomb. don't know what yet.
your man on the spot - shambler

Don't be silly

sorry about the double post, not in a good mood.

I was at the "Make Poverty History" rally in Edinburgh on Saturday. As we got off the boat at Stranraer on Friday we were subjected to the most stringent checks on ourselves, our luggage and were made to fill out pink cards with our names, occupations, inside leg measurements, etc and also made to announce our names to a video camera, all as part of the Prevention of Terrorism Act. The police even used bomb dogs to sniff out the 3 coaches we were on for any sign of terrorist-related material. The passengers on the 3 coaches included women, children and OAPs.

They found a Palestinian flag.

The over-zealous police presence was all too evident in the centre of Edinburgh too, with cops all over the place (perhaps even as provocation, but I digress). Admittedly there was trouble on Monday and yesterday, but the Saturday march went off with few hitches.

So, with all of this (including half of Scotland Yard) in place to protect the G8 leaders from the masses, I can't help but see the irony that a terrorist attack planned for during the summit takes place in London, right under the government's nose.

Nonetheless, my condolences go out to those affected by the attacks. Not since the peak of the IRA bombings has London seen such carnage. It will be interesting to see how civil liberties will be further affected by today's events.

Lets hope the UK has more character as a nation than Spain.

What do terrorists hope to accomplish by this? i mean, why do they do it? do they think they'll be hailed and feared throughout the world? "OH I JUST BLEW UP A BUS WITH A BOMB! NOW, ALL U PEONS BOW BEFORE ME-*gunfire*" Seriously. if you want to be a terrorist and bomb stuff go play CS.

One of the goals of terrorism is to get to the government (or whatever the real target is) through the people. If enough people are afraid and know some kind of fear in their daily lives, terrorism works. It feeds on brainwashed 'martyrs' and produces fear. Another goal is provocation, and there's more.
It's a coldly calculated but unpredictable strategy, but it's obvious that it accomplishes something for the offender(s).

Everyone in London and all of the UK really has my condolences and my best wishes.  I am lucky to have never gone through such a tradgedy, and I am still very thankful to this day that my uncle wasn't working on the windows of the World Trade Center towers when the planes collided with them.  Like Scalliano said, I wonder how this event will affect civil liberties in England and probably the USA as well, but I think it's best to square away the damage and the injured first before worrying about that.

It only works when someone capitulates.  You can partially thank Spain for this.  Since Spain's election and subsequent change in policy, the terrorists figure "Well golly gee, if it worked there, it'll work elsewhere" and they stepped up their program for other spots in Europe.  What they've forgotten is that the UK has dealt with terrorist bombings for the last few decades courtesy of the IRA.  I don't think they're going to ge the results they expected.  England is a funny place, and Brits, historically, don't tend to take things on the chin and then go hide in a hole afterwards.  It just might strengthen the resolve of the Brits to go further on the offensive.  I'm expecting this whole thing to backfire.  They may have just set off a firecracker in a hornet's nest.

Just keep watching the news.

We've taken on bigger bad men than these and had blacker days. This will make us stronger.

Well, Tony Blair is no Neville Chamberlain.  The questions is, what about the rest of the British government?  I don't know the political situation there.  Historically the British haven't ever backed down from a fight that involves the Isle itself.

Update:
we have found out who they were.  3 are dead in the blasts, and one more was arrested today,  for planning etc.

This all happened 2 miles from my house. they lived up the road from me! They were britsh born pakistanis i understand from the bbc.

weak minds that wanted to be important, or belong to something.  

I won't say anything more  on this subject, unless local news digs up anything.

live long and prosper.

late news for those you don't know.
We got them. 1 in birmingham, 2 in london and 1 in rome. all had run and hid. how brave. Over now until the next time............

Update.
I live 200 miles north of London. Yorkshire is a quiet county, with a mixed population. The water is good and clean from the hills and the air is the same. The people are plain speaking and honest and its the greenest city in europe, I seem to have read somewhere.

Its a bit like the shire from the lord of the rings, hence the name: 'shire and yorkshire'.

We don't get bombs up here much. But 2 at least of these men went to my school (where I teach) a few years ago. they were discribed as 'normal healthy young men' not religous or fanatical in any way. they were into sports and one of the lads familys reported him missing on the day of the attacks, cos he had gone missing.

What had been done to them to make them do this?

like nutbags and shitbirds  need a good reason to do wierd things.

Part of the key to this sort of thing is the ability for those involved to blend into society. We see it not only in connection to acts of terrorism, but also as an integral part of guerilla warfare, We saw it in places like Vietnam, and a current example would be the tactics employed by those still fighting with the Allied forces in Iraq.

Where coordinated acts of terrorism such as the one in London are concerned, I am in no doubt that a degree of training/brainwashing would be involved, but you really need to be a certain kind of person to willfully blow up yourself and potentially many other innocent bystanders because you're pissed off at something a government is doing. With the exception of Spain, all it's gonna do is piss them off even more. Just look at Israel.

My message to any would-be suicide bombers is this: Martyrdom is given, not acquired.

Look at the BTK killer, he was "the perfect citizen" for years.  Nobody suspected anything, even police officers who had worked along side the man.  Certain people are capable of appearing completely normal on the outside, and being twisted, perverted, and psychotic on the inside.  Many serial killers appear to be upstanding citizens, but they're wired differently and have no reservations about killing.  When you look at people who are willing to blow themselves up to accomplish their goal, then the goal is all that matters to them.  They've been subject to conditioning, either self-induced or brought on by an outside entity, in this case whoever recruited them into the terror cell.  This isn't a case of a desperate enemy going kamikaze as a last resort, this is a methodical, planned move.  Brainwashing is exactly what these people have been through, only it is entirely voluntary.  They want to do this.

This leads me to my second point.  You mention the Israelis... People need to start looking at suicide bombers the way the IDF looks at them.  The IDF and Israeli Intelligence views suicide bombers as weapons, not humans with bombs strapped to them.  They are a slow-moving, cloaked guided missile, nothing else.  This kind of weapon is an explosive device with a human brain for the guidance system, and a human body for the delivery mechanism.  If that sounds cold, well it should.  These bombers sold their humanity when they decided to start down this path, so it's time the world stops questioning their motives and starts developing a defensive plan to counter them.  If you keep looking at them as people and trying to understand them you'll never be rid of them.  They don't need to be understood, they need to be stopped.  Nothing short of that is acceptible.

This is true, but were they always madmen, or does something just click inside them, and they become madmen? I think some are like that.

anyway...

It has come out that one of these men was a teaching assistant at a primary school that feeds to our secondary school. Thank God he didn't set off a bomb in an assembly of 500 children.

They are still looking for the 'mastermind' but rumour is that hes fled the country to pakistan. How brave..............................................

In about 1850 when the british caught muslims instaed of just hanging them, they beried them with bacon in thier mouths, so they would not go to muslim heaven. This must have put off a few. I'm not suggesting this today mind, But woodsman would.

You said something absolutely true that causes a lot of controversy in the international community. Have you ever noticed how the International community strikes against this Israeli mentality? They gave a Nobel Piece Prize to that damn terrorist Yasser Arafat, they gave him top medical treatment, AND WHEN HE DIED THEY CONSIDERED HIM LIKE A HERO! And those were mistakes, SERIOUS mistakes. Maybye these things still happen because they, mostly COWARDED & STUPIFIED European Goverments don't realize that and they let it continue. There are policies in the EU that cannot be applied nowadays, like the "free frontiers". This policy does not fit in our days, due to the threat that is terrorism. Europe is "dead" because they don't react as much as it was necessary.

That and they're attacking Israel for putting up the security barrier.  Now tell me, what's so bad about building a wall to try to keep someone from blowing up your civilian population?  Wouldn't that be preferable to targetted assassinations and airstrikes, and tanks?  At the same time the EU leadership was blasting Israel for building a wall, the EU was itself proposing to build a wall in Romania to keep unwanted immigrants out.  I think someone needs to look up the word hypocrisy sometime in the dictionary.

What I find amazing is the amount of ignorance that exists in regards to just who the "Palestinians" are.  Time for a history lesson.  There was never an Arab nation called "Palestine".  The modern Palestinians are Egyptians and Jordanians.  What happened was in 1947 the United Nations adopted a resolution partitioning the area then called Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state.  At the time the British actually controlled the territory which was known as Palestine and Transjordan.  Back in 1921 the Transjordan portion was closed to any further Jewish settlement, but the area that is modern Israel (called Palestine) remained open.  The British mandate for control was actually issued by the League of Nations in 1922.  Settlements were left basically to self-governence until Britain withdrew from its commitment under mounting Arab pressure.  On November 29, 1947 Britain announced it was terminating the mandate, to take effect May 15, 1948. On May 14, 1948 the Nation of Israel declared its independence.  Keep in mind this was in the area West of the Jordan river, the area called Palestine that was partitioned off specifically for the Jews according to UN Resolution 181 which was adopted by the UN General assembly on November 29, 1947.

The problem is the Arabs rejected this resolution, and decided instead to attack Israel in 1948.  Many wealthy Arabs left Israel in anticipation of the war, even though Jewish leaders at the time asked them to remain and instead become citizens.  Up to and after the May 15th invasion, many Arabs continued to flee as a result of the conflict.  By the time the invasion began, over 300,000 Arabs had fled the country, leaving only around 160,000 left in the country.  In addition to this, leaders of Arab countries around Israel were actively encouraging Arab Israelis to leave the country so they could annihilate the Jewish population.  They attempted to do just that in 1948, and again in 1967 and failed both times.

The problem was that the Arabs who fled were then expecting to just be allowed back into the country as if nothing had happened.  Despite that, In 1949, Israel offered to allow families that had been separated during the war to return and even agreed to release refugee accounts frozen in Israeli banks, offered to pay compensation for abandoned lands and, also agreed to repatriate 100,000 refugees -under the condition such people were non-hostile (only an idiot would patriate hostile people).  The problem was the Arab nations absolutely refused any offer that required recognition of Israel as a state.  They insisted on full repatriation as a precondition for any negotiation, which Israel naturally rejected (to do other would have been suicide considering the recent invasion), so instead the Arabs were confined to refugee camps by the Arab nations who controlled those areas at the time.  After the 1948 war, Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip and also the 200,000 Arab refugees there, but refused to allow them into Egypt or out of the Gaza area at all.  Syria also refused to allow any Arab refugees into its lands, despite having ample room for them.  Jordan did allow some refugees into the country and controlled the West Bank in 1950, but they lost the West Bank during the 1967 war which they started in the first place.

Israel is constantly asked to repatriate a hostile population as a condition for any peace negotiation.  Yet, at the same time, no Arab nation will offer to take the refugees in despite having plenty of room.  There's a reason for this.  The refugees are too convenient a tool for hostile regimes to use against a Jewish state they could not beat militarily.  Israel is a true Democracy, not a Republic like the US.  This means if a large Arab population were suddenly brought into the normal population, all they would need is a simple 51% majority over the Jewish population and Israel would no longer be a nation.  The entire Palestinian situation is being perpetuated because the Arabs see the Palestinian refugees as too valuable a weapon in their war to eliminate the Jewish state and seize control of the land.  They're kept in poverty and misery by the Arab states who refused to allow them any other option except to be refugees and used as a wedge with which to squeaze Israel.  

Now, who in their right mind after two full-scale military invasions would want to negotiate with or capitulate to hostile neighbors who have shown only utter contempt for your various existence?  To me it makes sense to build a fence to keep the suicide bombers and other terrorists out, and to take a "zero tolerence" stance toward terrorism.  Having busses and night clubs blown up on a daily basis tends to get tiring after a while, and I have to commend the Jewish people for not going completely postal and just declaring war on Arabia as a whole.  The problem is that as long as people in the world keep funneling money, like the 2 Billion or so pledged by the G8 courtesy of Bono and his stupid Live 8 concert, to the so-called Palestinians you're going to keep seeing groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Al Qaida keep getting taxpayer subsidizing, while the people who actually live in Palestine remain in abject poverty because of people like Arafat and Abbas who will never let them see one penny of it.  Think about foreign aid for a moment, and how effective it is.  All that money that's been sent to Africa over the last two decades - a few hundred billion dollars - how much good has it done?  Aren't the poor still poor, or they wouldn't be holding poverty awareness events?  Aren't the governments are still corrupt, and the starving still starving?  Throwing another $50 billion at it won't solve the problem.  The problem is corrupt regimes and leaders controlling the cash flow.  You won't solve the problem until the people are taught how to be self-sufficient and are properly educated, and the corrupt regimes removed.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe blowing up every country in the world is going to root out terrorism or solve poverty, but I do believe people need to stop acting like offending Muslims is the worst sin you can possibly commit.  Here's some food for thought - if it's only a small number of radicals causing the problem, those who are twisting Islam as has been claimed, then where are the Mullahs, the Clerics, and the Muftis?  Why don't Muslims condemn terrorism and actually do something about it to get rid of it?  As long as the Arab governments and the Muslim religious leaders keep silent and wring their hands of what people are doing in the name of Allah, they do not deserve any kindness as far as I'm concerned.  Either they are complicit, or they're cowards.  Either way they're not helping, and remaining silent when you're supposed to be a leader means it's defacto condonement.  I don't think people should go blow up mosques by any means, but I do think it's time people get their heads out of the sand and stop being afraid of offending people over a very serious danger, especially in Europe since there is a very large Muslim population, and it's growing day by day.  You know the terrorists are going to blend into that population and hide there.  I think if anyone should be offended by Islamic extremist-brand terrorism it's the Muslims since they're the ones getting the bad name over it.  They are the ones who need to stand up and kick the terrorists out.  If they want the world's respect, well, time to earn it and stop sitting on their hands over this.  I know I sure as hell took offense at all the pedophile priests who got busted.  I'm glad they got busted.  I'd help fan the flames with my own wings when they burn for it if given the chance.

Edit:  And already the Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article299086.ece) has come out with a story about one of the bombers, and how "he just wasn't the type" or how the parents "can't believe he could have done this" and all the usual bleeding-heart nonsense.  I'm sure you'll see articles about his childhood hardships and how he felt "compelled to do this" because his football dreams were smashed, or some other rubish.  It's completely irrelevent.  I can tell you why he did it, someone told him he should do it and he believed them.  Whoever convinced him to blow up a bus and gave him the explosives needs to be hunted down, interrogated, and killed, plain and simple.

Yes, and soon.

There was a recent attack in Israel.  Again, amazingly, is it's in response to the Israelis withdrawing their forces from the Gaza strip!  Funny, I thought the whole reason that Hamas, Fatah, etc, was undertaking these bombings and rocket attacks was to get the Israelis to withdraw?  Well that's the "official" line anyway.  The real reason is to incite further conflict just for conflict's sake.  If Israel pulls out and walls off the Gaza strip, then the terrorists lose a lot of their leverage.

Now that would be a very strong act  that I think they might do with time. But with the Gaza Strip walled up, the terrorists would go insane, not to mention the International community, but hell, SCREW THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

Stop Press:
Got him......
The 'mastermind' bomber was arrested today in Egypt. He was studying for 5 years at Leeds University, chemistry of all things! He fled Leeds, my city, where 3 of the bombers lived and left his house etc. This was about 10 days ago.

3 pakistanies have been arrested in pakistan in connection with the bombings in london. Don't know any more details on that yet.

My GF who removes toenails and dresses them etc for a living was in the healthcenter 90 yards from one of the houses that was raided. she was working there while these basterds would be planning to murder people. She was evacuated and not been allowed back to the biulding until today. We've been together 17 years, next month. I could have lost her.

Shes a bit of a Goth but a fantastic banjo and mandolin player. The love of my life. If I'd have lost her I would not have been responcible for my actions. But people would have died.

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I'm glad they got him.  They ought to stick his head and the heads of his cohorts on pikes outside of Buckingham Palace with a big sign under them that says THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO TERRORISTS. Let them broadcast that on Al-Jazeera and maybe they'd get the "point".  Too bad they don't do that sort of thing anymore, it was quite effective in the old days.

They could stick his head on london bridge to keep willain wallace company...oh wait london bridge is in arizona now.

If I come across the heads I'll post them to you woods. Then you could drop them off. The heads on pikes is the best punishment - justice must be seen to be done, not just done.

Local news from England:

We have had another set of bombers, doing exactly the same as the last bunch of Idiots. This time thier bombs failed to go off, and they ran away. 3 on the underground, one on a bus.

One man was seen running away with wires coming out of a hole in the back of his shirt!
this has to be a suicide bomber.

At the moment news seems to say we have 2 of them, but I think this will prove to be wrong. The men arrested didn't seem to be bombers to me. Remember I was at thier school today for a meeting! I sat in the woodwork room - the very same they had worked in - and attended a meeting.

THis country is far to soft IMO.
(The welsh should be in charge.)

Either it's Cell #2, or it's a copycat attack.  I'm wagering it might be the latter, especially since the bombs didn't explode properly.  Thank God nobody was hurt.

My boss is the man who taught them electronics at school!  That explains why the bombs were  duds.  Joking aside, I agree, its copycat stuff.