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http://education.guardian.co.uk/classroomv...,987932,00.html (http://education.guardian.co.uk/classroomviolence/story/0,12388,987932,00.html)
Thanks go to Lilazz for alerting us to this one.  This is the most despicable thing I have read in a very long time!  Somebody needs to shut this place down.  :shout:

I've read articles about this over two years ago - It's sad to see nothing has been done to shut that hellhole down.

If I ever I was sent to such a place, I would do whatever it takes to get out.  You can force me to bend my will, but you will never EVER (again) break my spirit.  I would repent, I would be genuine, I would be the little "good" male I was supposed to be.  But mark my words, I would kill every single one of my captors and make them suffer as long as they made me suffer before snuffing out their life.  

And then of course, I'd have to kill whoever sent me there.  :D

This is damn near the worst possible thing you could do to your child.  I'm so sorry your wealthy and detached life-style can't keep up with the "drama" life throws at you.  You should have thought about that before you sporked your lover and got (her) pregnant.

No one, and I mean no one, has the right to take away another's life. (Yes, yes, I know, I'm hypocritical.) And that's exactly what this "behavior modfication" bullshit does.

This is sick. What's next? Battle Royale?

I'm not surprised really. Nobody wants to raise their own kids any more, but they all want them (or say they do just to make the other party happy.. which probably leads to problems as well.. or don't want them at all, but end up having them anyway [the so called, 'accidents' or 'imperfections']).

So hey.. shove the kid off to Jamaica for like a year to have someone else do it for you Nazi brainwash style. You get a year of vacation form the brat and a completely brainwashed little angel! :D

I've read actual stories by people who just got out of such a camp (I do not know by heart if it was the same place). The things that happen have a very surrealistic tone to them: you almost want to check the cover to see a "by the author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"..

One of the things I remember reading about, were sessions where the kids were obliged to tell 'bad things' they had done, publicly. If one could not come up with anything, one would be forced to undergo humiliating public torture or spend up to weeks in isolation (meaning in actual isolation cells, using a bucket for relieving oneself, etc.). Think of an extended Stanford prison experiment gone horribly wrong, and you get the picture.

lazy parents... they need to be bitch-slapped every second of everyday untill they realize that thier crotch-droppings are THIER responsibility, they need to realize that since they popped out a mewling bag of flesh they have to take care of it. not just send them off at the first sign of inconvenience... no actually they need to be killed both them and their offspring get them the spork out of the gene pool.

and just irradiate those people who are in charge of that place make them die in a most painful way

Indeed.  An armed raid comes to mind.  It's a bloody shame I don't know any mercenaries, and those I do know who are trigger-happy enough to do that kind of thing are as broke as I am.

Amazing.

Amazing that they can get away with it.

I think they tried brain washing in Germany once.

Oh yeah, it started WW2

ill do it for a bottle of single malt scotch.

Wouldn't it be possible to convict this gentleman of "crimes against humanity" among other things?

This seems rather abusive and I know parents who lost their children to the state over more trivial matters than this. I'm sure a good 'ol U.N. intervention would do the trick.

That, or a SEALS operation.

My prediciton: Something will come of this soon now that the world is catching wind. You get enough pissed off people in a democratic nation, it's government will have to do something.

Although Woods' offer does sound attractive. I would be inclined to go down there myself with my gun for a bottle of Single Malt Scotch.

I cant think of a single instance IN THE HISTORY OF MAN in which that did the trick.

Oh yea, they're useless. I plumb forgot.

I agree, they sit around have meetings, exchange ideas of cultural diversity, have a two hour lunch and get paid for it.

I don't see this going away.  In fact, I see it growing.  I also see governments turning a blind eye to it because it is effective at brainwashing rebelious and unruly people.  Right now it's just common problems - disobedient children prone to getting into mischief or worse - but that's just a step away from political dissidents and potential revolutionaries.  Governments want to control those kinds of people, so this little facility and others like it will remain conveniently ignored for now.  Consider them a model for future reference.  If something so heinous occurs that martial law of any kind is ever implemented, these sort of training facilities will pop up all over the place, mark my words.

Remember, it's not enough to silence you, they want to break you.  They want you to love Big Brother.  As long as you're defiant, even unto death, you're a threat.  Freedom of thought is the most dangerous thing to those who seek to maintain control.  After all, you can't kill ideas.

Because I don't say it, don't mean I ain't thinkin it
Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away

-Megadeth -- Holy Wars... The Punishment Due


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Not to mention that with this camp being outside US soil, much like Camp X-Ray, it is therefore pretty much exempt from things such as the Geneva Convention. This is effectively extraordinary rendition for kids. I'm not US-bashing here (for a change), it's just that once  again we have another example of basic human rights violation that everyone is turning a blind eye to.

As for the UN, euurrgghh ...

The Geneva Convention has nothing to do with this.  These people aren't prisoners of war, they're civilians, children for God's sake.  They've been convicted of no crime, and are serving no sentence.  They are being imprisoned against their will and tortured, with their own parents permission, and its completely legal.  I know people who have DCF just itching to take their children away for very stupid technicalities.  Yet, you can legally ship your child to what amounts to a prison camp?

In Guantanamo, they give you three square meals a day, making sure there's no pork or any other "unclean" animals that Muslims can't eat.  You get a free Koran and prayer rug, and signs point toward Mecca.  You have attorneys, activists, and politicians clammoring to protect your rights when you're not even citizens of that country in question, not even proper POW's since you fight under no flag or uniform, and are not under any Geneva Convention legal protections as a result.  It is a serious problem when Jihadist terrorists are treated better than the offspring of a nation's citizenry.  Can you imagine if the kids in this story had been Arabs rounded up from Afghanistan?  You'd have the entire media, half the Congress of the United States, as well as just about every actor in Hollywood up in arms over it.  You'd have protests, and calls for impeachment, and calls for the camp to be shut down for human rights violations.  It seems people are more eager to protect evil than the innocent, but then, why should I be surprised?  Jesus was sold out to be crucified for 30 pieces of silver when he had done no wrong, and the people demanded Barrabas, a violent murderer, go free in his place.  My, how much things change in 2,000 years.

I've heard so many politicians talk about doing things "for the children".  Let's ban guns "for the children".  Let's socialize healthcare "for the children".  Let's advance any political cause that we need votes on "for the children".  I find it very disturbing when I have more compassion for these kids, troubled as they are, than your so-called leaders do.  It really should be the other way around.  Maybe you should all take a good, cold look at your leaders and figure out how much they are really worth.

I've done that already.. it's probably why I hate humanity and wish it to become extinct. Nothing gets better over time.. if anything, it all gets worse. The more I read about the world and what happens everywhere, the more I hate people. Long live the corrupt! 4.. LIFE!! :thumb:

It has been my experience that those who appear good and those who appear evil are kind of backward in what kind of person they really are...

So in my case yay evil people  :evil:

I agree it is idiotic to lend special privileges (that is, positive discrimination) to any religious or demographic group (and that includes both Sjeik friends as well as less wealthy Arabs, for instance). But to say that is eagerness to protect evil is simply nonsense. People are fairly quick to be (at least superficially) 'politically correct', but they are not promoting 'evil'. Nor is being (overly) kind to foreigners a 'pact with the devil'. Statements like the one I'm responding to is exactly why I usually lean to erring on the positive-discrimination side - there's plenty of people being 'patriots' out there. You know, the types promoting torture? ;]

Frankly, I think the camp isn't being shut down because it doesn't hit the news. It sounds like a prank (because surely a thing like this couldn't happen in civilized parts of the world). Every time I tell people about this, I get the same response: "What? Really?" - get a good week of media attention (even though there's no dough in it for them) and I'll bet there will be some incentive for action...

Who, Blair?? Give me a break, that prick ranks several grades below the shit on my shoe.

I see no difference between the two.  Failing to uphold what is good is promoting evil by default.  Or, as more commonly put, evil flourishes when good people stand by and do nothing.  Failing to call evil what it is allows it to gain a foothold in your psyche.  It allows heinousness to become tolerable.  Someone who wants to kill infidels in the name of Allah is evil, and I will never apoligize for the use of the term.  Evil is very real and comes in many forms.  Let's not mince words here, you know I won't ever be politically correct.  Political correctness is nothing but using clever language to bullshit people into accepting a certain way of thinking anyway.  That's another form of brainwashing.  I'll never be one to softpeddle how I feel about something.  Always expect me to be straight forward and somewhat shocking.  I try to be respectful, but I'll only do that where I feel respect is due; where I feel it has been earned.  Besides, this world needs a good kick in the balls to wake it out of complacency.

This is not about false patriotism either.  My point there was that certain people will defend murderers but they become scarce when it does not suit their political agendas.  They do not have true compassion, they only play at it to manipulate the public.  I think you can understand what I mean in this.

I'm not easily shocked (that's what my study is for) but I guess there's just something about the idea that being particularly kind to Arabs is abhorrent that does not sit well with me. If only Christians were treated with such care (at least by the authorities) in the middle-east, that wouldn't sound at all bad to me. It sounds like the Christian thing to do, too.

Neglecting your own kids is abhorrent, but I don't see it being in direct competition with any other kind of altruism.

Being vengeful is only human, but failing to see (in some cases whole groups of) people in the first place as enemies, and only after that as human, that just doesn't work for me (and I have no religious zeal whatsoever).

I'm sure a lot of politicians don't let true compassion play any serious role in their job or the decisions it requires them to make. I make no illusions about that, as you well know, but I don't see it as a reason to start kicking people in the teeth myself. I'm a live and let live wuss, right up to the point where we're talking real threat and proven menace.

You misunderstand, I'm not opposed to humane treatment of prisoners of war or, in this case, detainees, "enemy combatants" - whatever category they fall into.  No, it's actually part of my point.  People are out there calling this kind of treatment torture and protesting against it for political reasons while these adolescents are being subjected to the real thing and nobody's raising a fuss.  I was using that as an example of how screwed up people's priorities are, and how useful idiots still serve their purpose all too well in today's world.

As for vengeance, well, I'm one for overcoming evil with good.  I prefer it that way.  I am not opposed to violent struggle when necessary, but that doesn't mean I think it should be the first recourse in a dispute.  Remember, I used to see all humans as evil, and as enemies, without regard for their being, struggles, or pain.  It is because of my religious zeal that I changed my perspective, or rather, I was changed and the change in my perspective followed.  Humility can be a very painful lesson to learn, and suffering can teach one compassion as well.  Where the danger lies is with those who are apathetic, and lack compassion of any kind.  What kind of parent would send their child away to be brainwashed?  What kind of parent would strap their child with explosives?  Is murdering the body any worse than murdering the mind?  What point does something have to reach before it's considered outrageous enough to warrant action?

I read you. Just had to check on the meaning of the words used.

I've been reading this topic for a bit, and I really don't have much to say in this other than the 'prison' disgusts me to no end. But I do have something I want to say.

Evil can never be truly extinguished. In my belief, it is there to balance out the good. With any good deed comes a small, evil twist to it, even if it is completely unnoticeable by mere mortals like us.

I can't really go into detail, as I have a habit of making people misunderstand if I do so; I'm one to give out my words simply. But my point is, no matter how hard you try to destroy evil, it will always be there...always lurking...

But just to clear up on any thoughts about me, I'm not a part of any religion. I'm mostly neutral, so if I offend people who are actually in a religious community I apologize. I have my own beliefs of what is proper and what is not, which run a high risk of conflicting with such religions, thus I am only truly faithful in myself.

I shall slip into the shadows again to lurk once more... :ninja:

Misunderstandings are never a good thing.  They lead to unnecessary strife, and should always be avoided.  Being honest about one's beliefs, whatever they may be, should not be cause to offend.  People will differ in what they believe for certain, and certainly those of us with strong beliefs have strong opinions as a result.  For myself, I am certainly very passionate about my beliefs, as I am a passionate creature.  Still, I trust God's wisdom that He will bring people to where they need to be, and I trust in His mercy that He will guide those who may be following a different path.  I realize many don't share this sentiment, but I see no logic in trying to forcibly change someone's mind.  That only leads to resentment, and any such motions one goes through as a result are not rooted in love nor honesty.  To me that's missing the point.  It's up to the person to find their own path.  Those of us who do believe one way or another should be like lighthouses, beacons showing the way, ambassadors setting our best examples as representatives of our faith, not an inquisitor's lamp glaring into someone's face while the man in the shadows speaks fearful words.

As a board moderator I'm not going to let my strong beliefs, or anyone elses for that matter, bully people off the board.  I will passionately defend what I believe, and I will certainly discuss it openly, but I don't use these forums as a bully pulpit and I won't tolerate others doing the same.  You are welcome here no matter what you believe, so don't feel the need to lurk unless you truly desire to lurk.  It's only bad behavior that we take offense to.  We try to remain reasonable in all things..