Wirehead Studios

Please stop harassing LooF. She isn't causing any problems, yet when she comes back into #wirehead for a moment, you pursue her like bloodhounds. I've seen the threats sent out to her, and she doesn't deserve them. When I joined #wirehead, she was a decent person and made up for her "faults" in my eyes. Let go of the past. Forgive and forget. I ask you this out of curteosy because I think you should know how I feel about this.  You don't have anything to prove by threatening to DoS a person using dial-up.

For the sake of respect in the work that she's done and myself as a supporter for WHS, stop this treatment of her. It's completely unprofessional to see mod-making code-junkies gang up on a single mapper.

That is all I have to say.
 - Tekhead

I already tried this approach of asking people to stop. It doesn't work.

Lead by example then.

Oh I did. To no avail.

It became REALLY damn hard to try to be nice when she tried to get W killed....

Well, I for one have given her so many chances to act like a decent human being, and she ruins each and every one.   You can only be so forgiving, so understanding, at some point you have to say "No more".  I'm pretty much at that point.

You're misreading my message. I want it all to stop. It doesn't matter anymore, and there's no point in debating rights and wrongs. I don't want to turn this into a finger-pointing blame-o-thon, but rather a moment of peace and passage.

If you didn't want to talk to her, then you should've said so. I don't know where you got the "W killed" thing from oobey. It just sounds like propaganda to me. Unless you can justify that statement with proof, don't say such things.

It has stopped.  She's banned, and she won't piss us off anymore with her baseless attacks.  She's bit the hand that fed her one too many times Tek, get that through your head.  Got no beef with you, but stop telling these guys what they should or should not be doing.  If you want it to stop, don't instigate by posting shit from the channel into the forums.

So yeah, before oobey posts, why isn't she in here sticking up for herself? Ahh, she found someone else to hide behind, that's cool.

Ok, tell me how you interpet this statement:

(in #etg) *LooF* I wanted to know if it's against the rules to relay a channel to another network from here

Now, seeing as W is the only trans-network relay bot I know of, there doesnt appear to be many ways to intrepet that little comment. But, I am interested to hear your explanation, if you have one...

Oh, and as for your "lets just stop right now" all I can say is this: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah HELL NO! LooF has been in the wrong FAR too many times to suddenly drop it. That sounds to me like the losing side in a battle asking if it can be a draw while the enemy tanks are busy doing doughnuts in the loser's barracks. She started this war MULTIPLE times, and I am sure as hell not going to drop it at the first sign of her actually losing.

She isn't here because I told her not to come here. I came here out of my own free will to speak on her behalf with her approval.

Why won't you let it go Warden? Once again, you've found a clever way to slip in a snide comment that was uncalled for.

Twilight - I know that she's been a poor sport, and that's a legitimate concern. She tells me in defense that you were the one who told her to "talk shit - it can give you an upper hand"; given the words she used to talk shit and the time she tried to do it, she made bad judgements. A misread letter is often worse than an unopened one.

I'm standing on the sidelines watching, i'm not instigating much of anything here.

I don't care about all the laugable details, but this whole testosteron vs. loof's obvious childishness did go way too far.
The only thing that bothers me to no limit, is that she did a lot of work that i'd like to see in a finished state - and I fear that will never be the case. I don't think anything that's happened should be either discouraging her from showing it to us or cause us to plain forget about it.

It was kind of like the whole affair with Hedhunta. It can be annoying as hell, but if the work's good, at least haul that in, in some way ;]

look tek, this is not an arguement youre going to win. fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice shame on me. thats all there is too it. shes had all the chances shes going to get.

"1111937: What's the matter? Don't feel like talking about it after you got totally owned in #etg? Oh, and you're now banned in #wirehead. Just think, you and WaRdeN used to be so close. I remember when I fought with him a couple of times with him defending you. It's got to feel pretty shitty to know you totally sporked up a solid relationship."

"1111937: Having fun talking to Twilight? I know you're online. You've always had a mile streak a mile wide whenever WaRdeN wasn't around. Whenever you could hide behind your big mean moderator, you could fire with impunity. But hey, guess what, bitch? He's not there for you anymore. And he will never be. I've been waiting for this moment ever since you first made the mistake of joining #wirehead. Oh, and say hi to Tekhead, too. Life on the shitlist sucks "

I don't see why you're beating a dead horse to this extremity. In fact, you go so far as to not only dismiss, exile and shun her, but you also add insult to injury through a series of personally attacking messages. She's been out of your hair for over a month now. What's your problem now that there is no problem left?

Hey man, all I can say in response to that is:

I am so pissed I sporked up the second message. It should have read 'a YELLOW streak a mile wide.' My bad.

Oh, yeah, and why? Thats hinted to in the message. She's goaded me the entire time warden was her protector. She has ALWAYS played games, and known she was safe. But now, she went WAYYYYY too far, and she's all out in the open. And guess what? Payback's a bitch, and revenge is a dish best served cold.

At any rate, she's shown signs of growing up. You don't have to give her a second chance, but that'd be the best thing I'd like to see. If nothing else, let the past be the past and let go of old hate. I became friends with her because I saw what she did with maps and I wanted to encourage that part of her, because it was a really cool idea to me =]

View this thread as you like, but this is my last post and plea for peace. Please direct any further discussion directed toward me about loof on ICQ or AIM

11714384 <- ICQ
SnuffMeElmo <- AIM [I'll get an alias change someday =p]

I hope to see you all at Quakecon in good spirits.

 - Tekhead

Oh, and btw, tekhead:

IRC != Forums

please try to keep irc stuff off of here. However, I will let this one slide since it's gone on far too long and outside of IRC. Just fyi, is all.

EDIT: Upon viewing the ferocity of the attacking force, it appears the enemy has sounded the retreat. WIREHEAD WINS!

Score is now: 1 - 0 in favor of Wirehead

Still, TBQH, I think the whole idea of the games she played AND the revenge others sought was all way below the standards any professional mod community should have. Sure, Loof got me pissed at times, but I realized it was part of the whole 'being a kiddie' thing and ignored it, at least until she started talking a bit of sense. That worked for me.

I must say though, that because of the action-reaction thing that was going on later things had gone further out of hand - and I wasn't always around (and quite probably trying to ignore it and spend my time on getting some work done ;) - so I dunno all the facts. But considering what I've seen, the above stands.

*sigh* I've been watching all this from the sidelines, analyzing and digesting it, and so far this is what I see.

LooF has a bad tendency to take ANYTHING personal when it's not.  She has a very short fuse (shorter than mine by a great length) and is very vengeful.  If you're kind to her she can be kind, if she wants to.  The only way you can deal with her attitude is to ignore anything she says that's negative and try not to provoke her.

Most of the regulars in #wirehead don't keep a cool head so easily.  Some of you, and I won't name names, you know who you are, deliberately went out of your way to antagonize her.   Most people just got tired of being called names, playing nice and getting their noses rubbed in the dirt repeatedly, and started fighting back verbally.  The result was a tit-for-tat flamewar, much of like what we're now seeing with Mojo on the boards.

This just shows the worst of human nature at work.  Everyone gets mad, and everyone does bad things at points.  Forgiveness must be in your natures, but also, when is enough enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Sure, we've all heard to "turn the other cheek", but there's also a phrase regarding casting your pearls before swine.  Who is who in this case is becoming awfully hard to tell anymore.  Some people just will not change, are mean-spirited, and are just itching for a chance to take it out on someone who's not treating them very nicely.  Doing in revenge those actions which you are angered at another having done to you only makes you BECOME them.  I learned that lesson long ago, in payment for a grievous sin I committed, for as I became full of hatred and wrath toward mankind for what evils man has done to this world and to fellow man, in doing so, I became equally guilty of the same evil, and became the very object of my own derision.  Now I see why I had to learn this lesson.  Can you not see what you are doing here?  Take off your blinders and look in the mirror people!  Who's without any blame here in this?

To those who have lashed out at LooF, I ask you, is that what you want?  Think about what you're doing, and why.  Does it solve anything, or does it just perpetuate the animosity?  And Tekhead, to LooF I might ask, why can't you stop acting so childish, grow some thicker skin, and stop provoking others?  So what if people disapoint you, what right do you have to expect them to live according to your schedule or psychological rules?  If you can't behave in the chat room and don't like the harassment that results from being mean-spirited, then stay out until you can better deal with people.  Otherwise expect it and get used to it, and let it roll off your back.

I think all of you can do better than this.  I KNOW you can.  :(

I don't go in wirehead I don't want to go into wirehead and I won't go in wirehead. I haven't for a month unless I wanted to see if someone was online which was I guess about three times, so you have no arguement

I really don't care what most of you think of me or how much you've had of me and how much more you're going to take. this only got started because someone dosed me last night because they thought I was trying to kill your stupid W link

If you don't care, why bother posting? If you're through with wirehead, be through with it and leave it be all together.  
  As for the W thing, I've seen the logs, you did try to kill the connection. Had you just been wondering all you would have done is ask [WaRdeN] instead of going to ETG. If you don't want to admit to it that's fine, since no one really cares.
  Lastly, as usual, you have the need to get in the last word no matter what. Even though for all intents and purposes Tab & Pho defended you, you still had the need to take a pot shot. Please, prove me wrong, show us all you do have some level of maturity by not replying.

shows us you have some deceny by getting rid of that picture

Clever, yet you still failed, I said DON'T RESPOND.
 As for my signature, I find nothing wrong with it. I'm sorry you're offended, but it's just a woman with her had on a mouse.

yes and I'm sure that's why you put it there. you just keep telling yourself that.

oh by the way I did tell you why I posted in the first place maybe if you read what I said instead of just itching to hit the reply button and try to prove you're better than me and provoke me,you'd see that.

I said someone DoSed me hellllo?

Not really a cohesive rant, per se, I'm just going to take this in random little bits and bites...

Hi there. I'd like to know the point of you saying that. Are you insinuating something? Unless you've got solid proof, I'd prefer it if you didn't resort to baseless mud-slinging.

Oh, btw, Byskwik, I've read her posts four times now, and the closes thing I can find to a reason for her posting is:

Also, no one's answered how exactly I'm supposed to interpret the whole #etg comment about trans-networks bots. If the answer is curiousity, the Rules and Policies on ETG.net are widely available (took me roughly a minute, max, to find this) http://help.enterthegame.com/etg-rules.htm (http://help.enterthegame.com/etg-rules.htm)

I think that sorts covers the really hot flaming issues as of right now, I will of course be sounding off later to address anything else that comes up or anything I've missed...

It doesn't even have to be a woman's hand if you don't want it to be.  I used to have my nails done like that, though I had a very tasteful shade of steel blue instead of red.

oobey follow your own advice you have no solid proof that I was trying to kill W

Sorry Twi, I amend that. A hand on a mouse. Though that gets me thinkin, maybe it'd look better in black and white. It'd match my Avatar at least.

I'm sorry, I was assuming that you, like everyone else who was involved in this, would remeber things that you said last night, and would thus understand the irony of my case, and why what you just said right now is EXACTLY my point. Here's a refresher, in case you forgot:

LooF2000: twilight why did they want to DOS me?
OnikageJN: b/c you tried to spork with W?
LooF2000: they don't know that
OnikageJN: yes loof, they do
LooF2000: they assumed it

So, stop assuming anyone DoSed you...

what's that fable about the pot and the kettle again?

Not much I can say here that hasn't already, but in the end it really amounts to this: I stood up for loof on a couple of occasions. I won't say a number because I tried staying on the sidelines and failed miserably. Primarily because more often than not, when I had requested some help regarding what I was working on, or dropped a screenshot of a work in progress, loof would dump some comment about how it sucks, or how she could do better with two hands and a leg tied behind her back.

Case in point, the other night on IRC when I was having some problems with the q3 source while working on a side-project mod. Hell, I'm no coder, but loof saying something along the lines of "well, maybe you just suck" was uncalled for. I have never once looked at something loof made and said "you suck" I simply point out any problems I might find.

I've seen her say she's trying to be helpful, but a personal attack franky isn't..

She also says she does this for attention, again, attention is best gained by one's success not by insulting everything in sight.

In the end, as far as I'm concerned, loof is an individual with a hell of a lot of potential who insists on being a horrible person.

Prove me wrong, please.

i dont know her..but when me and twi were 1vs1 ing she totally flamed all of wirehead's work on gen and said it basically was shitty. that pissed me off, but i didnt hold that against anyone. i tried to be kind to her..but i basically got a big 'spork off' per say..i dunno..shit like that bothers me..maybe im too soft or whatever, but, i say, comments like that should be kept to yourself..u dont hear me calling ward anything or anyone else. im still concidered a no0b to most of everyone..and sometimes people belittle me..but if it came down to it..i'd give LooF one more chance..but if that was screwed..then all of you, even you tek, should see that some people, just dont change.

I don't believe anyone who has been at close proximity to Loof. I haven't had anything against her, but I have heard too much stories. If one wants to kill W, it's an open attack towards wirehead.


Open criticism is ok, but that doesn't sound like it.

When ppls start talking shit or insulting me i just ignore them, im just not letting it affect me.don't cost me anything and i don't get angry.  try it yourself.

I am not in anyway defending LooF, she needs to grow up.what she did towards the ppls in wirehead was not nice.
but to flame LooF in this way is not kind after all she do have the same kind feeling as we all do.
Im willing to give LooF another chance after all as tekhead said she makes pretty good maps.

I'm not saying she deserves this, but I will say is that she brought all of this on herself. Had she left it were it was this thread would have died. I'm very much in agreement that this has gone on too far. But as long as someone tries to blame others, those accused have a right to post a reply.
  Please people, allow this to die so that we can leave it as a reminder for future posters.

Well, gee, where do I can begin.....

LooF: You have some major personality flaws you need to work on. You are overly sensitive at times(more than not) and that is your main problem. Another is you insessant manipulation. You have got to stop starting shit and hiding behind certain admins(Ward). And if you ask someone for there help in dealing with this stuff (me or my older brother) don't turn around and get mad when we point out something to you.

I have always had this belief that everyone is worth patience. Mine is almost gone and alot of other people's patience has been drawn and quartered.  There is hope yet. If you can just let things go in one ear and out the other I guarentee that things will be alot better for all of us.

There's my two cents.....dont go off on me.....

I won't get give her the chance. SHUT UP! You're late, it's over. You're just adding fuel to a dying fire. Everything's been said at least once, and in most cases three or four times. If she didn't listen the first time she won't just cause you said it.

 I think it's time to close this one.  You're all moving on, like Byskwik suggests, whether you want to or not.  The horse is dead, stop kicking it already people.