Holy crap, if this is ever confirmed, it'll be another excuse to start a war.

Your not the only one Mink. I really hope it isn't true but you never know. But your right, play nice in someone else back yard or pay the price. Although death really isn't right IMO. Seems a bit harsh. But it's their country. I can only see bad things coming out of that though.

I hope your right Pho. I don't want to see another conspiracy theory on our hands. It's already WAAAY out of control as it is...


 

Not as long as politicians run countries... or governments make decisions for and steal money from their slaves/subjects/servants for its purposes which are not for the benefit of its people (hmmm, about 90% of its budget?).

I've said it before: What did the average American have against the average Russian that wasn't borne out of government propaganda during the Cold War?  And how easily could a tiny fraction of 1 percent of the human population have caused a massive nuclear holocaust due to their insecurities, and their lust for power and control?

Humans are easy to control so long as they have their basic needs met.  They become complacent and unwilling to do things which may threaten their existence, even if they perceive something to be unjust.  All governments need to do to remain in power is make sure there is risk to the individual's interests associated with standing against the government and ensure that the majority of its population is provided for enough that they can get by.  It's the balancing of oppression.

Getting people to actually stand up and against their oppressors and wrongdoers is extremely difficult if those people have their needs met as things are.  So governments remain in power.  They consolidate resources of which the majority is used for military purposes (which in the hands of moral and intelligent people would probably be used for the betterment of all humankind through advancing science -- it's sad that almost all technology has come from necessity during war) to ensure other governments don't take their power away.

In my opinion, true anarchy would be better than government control (since true anarchy implies no consolidation of control -- no society), but I don't think true anarchy is possible considering human nature.  There will be people who desire power and to control others and those who want to be controlled.

Most governments today have overstepped what they should be limited to by miles and miles.  Honestly, beyond simple rules (don't kill, don't steal), I don't see a need for a "government".  I see a need for officials in charge of certain aspects (water, roads, etc), but no need for any consolidated entity making decisions with convoluted design.

The problem is, if such a place existed, it would be taken over by some oppressive government.

We live in a disgusting world where freedom is long gone.  Everything is owned and controlled by governments, each of which paid nothing for them unless it was coming from another entity whose authority was acknowledged.  Greed and lust for power and control run this world.

So yeah, true peace won't exist until the average intelligence increases, but given that less intelligent people are more likely to reproduce early and have more children, and more intelligent people have fewer (or no) children and with a larger generation gap, I don't see how that model will get any better. 

I would say that the intelligent, moral people need to unite and find a way to separate themselves from the other people so as to no longer help the immoral and corrupt make more war, and remain that way long enough to consolidate a more advanced power in the hands of the moral to remove the immoral and corrupt and offer the general population a much better life while also having peace.  I would say that... but in my mind that is way beyond humanity due to human nature and humankind's tendency for corruption.  I don't see any difference from people 1000, 2000 years ago -- the same good and evil existed in humans then as it does now.  We are more knowledgeable, but we still have the same human nature.

/rant

Thanks Phoenix.  I'm lazy these days most of the time.  I don't care to get into these things since I've known them for years and there are two primary responses: either the person already knows it or the person refuses to accept it.  On a very rare occasion do I find the person in the middle -- the one who doesn't know it but is open minded.

I've grown very weary of trying to open people's minds.  And if I don't believe in humanity or believe it can change, I just don't see the point in getting into this stuff anymore.  I am still tempted to chime in once in a while; sometimes I start writing something, but then erase it all and say it's not worth it -- because of those two primary responses...

I think we met in the process of my recession from discussing these things.  I used to write so much and waste so much time on people.  Now I'm guilty of apathy, which in the larger view has the same effect as ignorant complacency.  I don't see any reason to try to help humanity as a whole given their nature, though.  Even if we could attain this utopia, they'd corrupt it again.  Until they advance beyond their pettiness and self-interest, nothing will change.