al wrong , fear tab is his rail :s

you know, I can't even believe how many people have to go and diss Slipgate for being a one weapon wonder. I thought Gen was to celebrate ALL of the id games by throwing these different classes in. I never would've imagined the competitive nature of everyone, or how everyone thinks Doom is gods gift to the game. I've played with both Slipgate and Doom, and I feel the most at home with Quake cause well, I existed in the Quake community in its peak back in 1997. where was Doom? oh yeah, on isolated networks and pay-to-play services. Doom is so synthetic in Gen because it never existed in a 'Quake' engine game, and the main coder for Wirehead is a Doom fan. this is understandable... Pho's been playing Doom since it was on 3.5" floppies. I've never seen so many fanboys for a friggin ridiculous class. what, because Doom is the fastest, that's supposed to automatically make it the best class? Slipgate is the bane of effort-less kills? ever heard of a plasma gun or a BFG or a gay rocket spam cannon like Doom's? I guess not.

Slipgate was engineered in 1995 to be the monster it was because that was id's first widespread multiplayer online game, and you can't deny the massive quantities of modifications or the flexibility that the engine had to offer. sure, Doom was huge, but it was a single player game first and a highly innovative multiplayer game second. Quake was the opposite. remember Qtest? all of the weapons were usable in Quake in one way or another. the shotgun sucked for obvious reasons: it was the standard weapon. the nailguns worked wonders in water battles. and well.... the lightning gun was no BFG, but god, why is it so difficult for people to accept things the way they are? I thought the lightning gun was a cool concept, and it was definately different than a gun you shoot and look at enemies to kill everything on the screen. wow. that takes skill!!!!

of all the id games, Quake wasn't my glory days. I enjoy applying the skills that I've attained during my time as a Rocket Arena 2 player to my playing style with Slipgate. the few games I've played in Gen were really exciting and I just feel as if Slipgate is 'my' class. I've played with Doom and I'm sorry, but that was the worst CTF game I ever played in my life. Doom's a cool class that I wish I liked but just don't because Slipgate feels more natural to me. I'd like to ally with the Doomers in thrashing the Arena tools. and before you mention anything about my sucking at the game and Slipgate is my way of compensating for it, bear in mind Doomers, Earth will shatter your souls and so will Strogg.

Slipgate vs. Doom...
coming to a Generations Arena near you

I agree with both of you.

Slippy was and will always be my first love <3  But I intend to play random a lot from now on.

Look, just so I can be more specific, I was not dissing anyone's opinion or preference. If I came across as that, I apologize. Slipgaters are a pretty good class, but for obvious reasons, Doom is better. I do recall in the original Doom games that the rockets were a lot faster than they are in this mod.

Hey, why not bring back the Laser gun and Double Chainsaw from Doom 64? Those weapons are a fine addition for our Doom guy!

But, I must also say that the square axe from Quake 1 was pretty mean-looking. Why not bring that back as well?

~Paco the Taco~

APOLOGIZE FOR NUFZENG!!!

*FLAMETHROWERS YOU ALL*

HAHAHAHAHAHA GO EARTH!!!!

The only Doom 64 weapon that doesn't exist in the PC games is the Unmaker. I'd like to see it, but it wasn't in any id-created Doom games.

As far as the whole Slipgate vs. Doom thing goes... Slipgate is my favorite class. Always has been, as I also grew up on FPS titles playing Quake. However, I do believe he is the hardest class to use. Sure, he has the overall best grenade launcher. The Shaft is fun at times. Nails are great under water. But if you're not using his rocket launcher on a regular basis, in most situations, you'll get your ass handed to you. He is a one-gun wonder, as a whole. The RL is not completely unavoidable, and getting hit by it is not the certain death situation that most make it out to be. I've plastered people with two or three Slipgate rockets, and they ended up killing me anyway (usually an Earth player or another Slipgater).

All of the other classes have weapons that can be used in any given situation. Even Doom, the king of midrange fighting, has a leg up on Slipgate -- Doom has a weapon that can be used in long-range, pinpoint situations; Slipgate has nothing.

Close up, every class owns Slipgate. Earth has gats, Doom has the chainsaw, plus it and Strogg have double-shotguns of death, and Arena has its own Shotgun, Lightning Gun, and the Gauntlet. What does Slipgate have? Super Nailgun? Shaft? By the time you switch to them -- which isn't exactly instant in a realistic online game -- you're either dead or would have been better off taking splash damage from your own weapon (and probably get killed two seconds later, anyway).

Why do people like the Doom class? Because, quite frankly, it's the easiest class to use. Yes, he dies more easily than the others but his weapons are either more certain to kill you at close range than most others (SSG) or have a(n insanely) high rate of fire that makes them hard to avoid (Chaingun, Plasma). He's also the fastest class in the game and it really shows. Play with Doom for a while, then switch to even Slipgate, and you'll feel as though you're running in knee-deep water.

I have no problem with anyone's class preferences in Generations. Everybody has different tastes and styles of play. But just because someone uses Slipgate, that doesn't mean they're compensating for a lack of ability. If that were true, I wouldn't be on the lower half of the scoreboard while using Slipgate.

Yes... Strogg is the hardest to use properly.

As for Doom being the easiest class to play... you know, I can't agree here either. If it's so easy, why can't I even do mediocer with the class? I suck about as much ass with Doom as I do Strogg.

As for Doom's rockets being faster... maybe, but I doubt it. I used to be able to, just about, keep up with the rockets while running forward and shooting at the same time. I attribute not being able to do that any more to the obvious Doom run-speed slowdown to make him more managable.

In any case... I've always been one, from the first time I played this mod, to believe that... ...and I always will. 'Doom is a better class for obvious reasons' he says... pfeh. Doom is just more nostalgic, more appealing to the inner 'old skool' child inside everyone that started out playing Doom as their first shooter... or maybe second... but Hell demons > Nazis.

As a final closing remark from me, and something to keep in mind later: Let's see who the finalists in our upcoming Generations QCon tourney are going to be, and what classes they will (exclusively) use. I'm betting my finest pair of socks on a full Slippyfest in the final matches :]

So, when is this BIG TIME match scheduled for? I can't wait.

~Paco~