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« Reply #20 on: 2004-06-03, 16:55 »

so vote chtultu .
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« Reply #21 on: 2004-06-03, 22:33 »

why dont you run for office pho? your over 40(much, MUCH, over), and you are a resident and were born in the US(i think, correct me where im wrong) .... nowhere does it state you have to be human!.. id vote for a giant flaming bird! PHO for PRES! 2008!!
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« Reply #22 on: 2004-06-04, 05:36 »

Problem, Hed.  Phoenix wasn't "born".  Besides, I wouldn't want to be a president.  I get enough flak on this board as it is from the rabid anti-crowd!
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« Reply #23 on: 2004-06-04, 19:57 »

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nowhere does it state you have to be human

it also doesn't state that you have to be white .

although I havent seen a black american president for a whille ( never ) in america .


( think about it and lets go back on topic )


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« Reply #24 on: 2004-06-05, 16:18 »

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Problem, Hed.  Phoenix wasn't "born".  Besides, I wouldn't want to be a president.  I get enough flak on this board as it is from the rabid anti-crowd!
born/created its all the same :-P ... hehe, too bad. lol
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« Reply #25 on: 2004-06-09, 04:21 »

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although I havent seen a black american president for a whille ( never ) in america .


( think about it and lets go back on topic )


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And it doesn't look like America want's a firey red president, either. Slipgate - Tongue

On topic, perhaps those Democrats were simply mistaken about Iraq having WMDs. Now that we have confirmed for sure that it DOESN'T, every Democrat who said Iraq had WMDs right until the beginning of the war (John Kerry, especially) has suddenly flip-flopped, simply because it was politically convenient to take advantage of it. More power to them, since it's all politics.

However, their previous statements in support of Iraq having WMDs aren't necessarily true just because they flip-flopped when the opposition said the same thing. (Am I confusing you here?)
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« Reply #26 on: 2004-06-09, 11:10 »

It's the flip-flopping I'm taking issue with here, along with the hindsight finger-pointing.  Here's how it plays out, possible scenarios.  We'll speak strictly of the period of the last 8 years or so and not prior since we know he had them when he gassed the Kurds in northern Iraq:

1)  Iraq did not have weapons, and everyone thought they did.
2)  Iraq did have weapons, and everyone thought they did, and they are still in Iraq somewhere.
3)  Iraq did have weapons, and everyone thought they did, and they are now destroyed.
4)  Iraq did have weapons, and everyone thought they did, and they are now elsewhere.

Situation 1) leaves nobody off the hook because everyone was wrong at the time they all believed Iraq had the weapons.

Situation 2)  would condemn the flipfloppers in the long run should the weapons ever eventually be discovered.

Situation 3) leaves nobody off the hook since again, up until the war everyone thought they had them.

Situation 4) would condemn the flipfloppers in the long run should the weapons be used in a terror attack by whomever now has them.

So I ask this question - how does the fact of whether Iraq did or did not have weapons at the time these people thought they did have any relevance?  If they believed at the time that Iraq had the weapons, they should stick with that and not suddenly reverse their positions.  This is why you cannot trust these people.  The truth in regards to THEIR RECORD is contradictory to their claims and position on the matter.  They say one thing, then say something else, and you never know where they stand in the end.  They only seek to benefit their own position and that of their party, and they don't care one damned bit for the American people or any other people.  Such people should NEVER be trusted.
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« Reply #27 on: 2004-06-12, 10:19 »

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UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after

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Friday, June 11, 2004

The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.

The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.

The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.

 UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on June 9 that "the only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East Newsline reported.

"It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing. "It's being traded out. And there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal."

"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.

He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations included Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey.

The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ? the latter required for the production of chemical and biological warheads.

"It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for," Ewen Buchanan, Perricos's spokesman, said. "You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax."

The UNMOVIC report said Iraqi missiles were dismantled and exported to such countries as Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an SA-2 surface-to-air missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN tags. In Jordan, UN inspectors found 20 SA-2 engines as well as components for solid-fuel for missiles.

"The problem for us is that we don't know what may have passed through these yards and other yards elsewhere," Buchanan said. "We can't really assess the significance and don't know the full extent of activity that could be going on there or with others of Iraq's neighbors."

UN inspectors have assessed that the SA-2 and the short-range Al Samoud surface-to-surface missile were shipped abroad by agents of the Saddam regime. Buchanan said UNMOVIC plans to inspect other sites, including in Turkey.

In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El Baradei said material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the country.

This is on their "breaking" page, link here for as long as it's up:

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/b...breaking_1.html

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« Reply #28 on: 2004-06-12, 15:42 »

ill vote for a black president when theres a black candidate worth voting for. (one who dosent run on the "im black so vote for me!" ticket). How many black prime ministers has Belgium had GK?.  Sorry to get off topic but i couldnt let that pass without saying somthing.
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« Reply #29 on: 2004-06-16, 20:37 »

Not about WMD's specifically, but concerning Iraq and all the attacks that the news media just can't get enough of:

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"The room for maneuver has started to become smaller," Al Zarqawi said. "The grip is getting tighter around the necks of the holy warriors. With the deployment of soldiers and police, the future has become frightening." Al Zarqawi said his group was trying to organize battalions to take over Iraq before national elections, scheduled for January 2005. Once again, he raised the prospect that Islamic insurgents would fail and either be expelled or killed.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/b...breaking_8.html

If (and that's a big "if") this story is correct, and the letter did indeed come from Al Zarqawi then it means the terrorists are losing the fight.  That runs contrary to how the media would have you believe things are going by the way in which events are being reported.  I suppose we'll have to wait and see.[/color]
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« Reply #30 on: 2004-06-16, 21:44 »

black , none , we are more conserned about the morrocans .

and they want to be in the goverment , but nobody votes for them for a good reason .
we now try to get somekind of extreme right to the goverment sothey can throw out the morrocans .

btw , agelef ==> extreme left was 2 ago in the goverment . they putted in a new law .
belgians have to go voting .
migrants may go voting .


with other words , almost anyone could come and vote here , hell even dicion could almost come and vote . ( but hes still american right ?? )
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