Assamite pays attention

Ugh, I give up. It's just another day for me, when the newest ignorant neophyte feels that THIS is the point in their life where they will take a stand, feed their ego, and trumpet in proud, blissfully obtuse defiance, against US.

We, who have made the evil, terrorist, totalitarian demand that a person lacking the talent, experience, or dedication to actually create something unique and artistic of their own, should NOT be allowed to spend five minutes in a model converter and then attach the phrase "I MADE THIS" in any way, shape, or form to the artistic creations that our friends and team members worked, slaved, and lost sleep over.

We, who chase the obscene fancy that perhaps we don't WANT our content torn apart and slapped haphazardly into the latest immature hack model theft compilation. We who stubbornly embrace the concept that we don't LIKE our models stolen and placed next to other models as a shining example that yet another moron on the Internet doesn't give a damn what we want done with our own creations.

We, who urinate in the face of creative thinking by holding to the ideal that the things we create are created for OUR game and should remain in our game, and that those who want fancy models for QuakeWorld should MAKE THEIR OWN or find someone willing to intentionally make ones for them... as opposed to creating them for some other purpose, only to have them stolen without permission.

Or maybe I'm being facetious, and you're just an idiot. At any rate, my case is made. If you are truly ignorant enough to post our content somewhere after we've made it obscenely clear that you are not allowed to distribute it in any form... well, suffice it to say it takes less effort to fax an ISP or two than it takes to steal models.

Any further correspondence from me will be to notify the appropriate parties.

Sorry for being a dick about it and I won't be posting my future ports of the awesome md3's most of which I can see are made by Tabun...Damn you got some major skills.

After Generations 1.0 is released, come back to us, and simply _ask_ if you can use stuff, and we'll see about it then. It is really just that simple..

The content was hosted on my server, he couldn't remove it because he didn't have access to it.  It's gone now and will stay so.

I think this small misunderstanding is dealt with and everyone can go on their merry ways.

Wow, it's that easy?
Yes Creed converted the models to Quake, but he never said he made the models! He always said that the models are from the generations mod (btw Tabun)! I think Creed decided to convert the models from generstions mod to Quake, because all Quake remodel projects are canceled, died, or put down. (or something)
Yes Creed didn't asked for permission to convert the models! That was a big mistake,
but i hope you are not annoyed that much!
That's what i think why he converted stuff from generations arena!
(The same was with OoPpEe's tfc conversions of the generations arena models.)

Indeed. I never suggested I could or would give permission to use ALL the Generations stuff. For clear reference of who did what:

http://www.planetquake.com/tabun/tmp/itemstatus.htm
EDIT: For easy reference, I will provide links to images in that list, later on.

But for the sake of simplicity, asking 'Wirehead' will get our global attention, as I feel the mod team as a whole has a say on the artwork (at least until either 1.0 is released, or an artist quits the team).

In fact, I am only a mediocre/newbie modeller. As you can see, I've only done items, no weapons - Phoenix, Renalicious and Hedhunta are our main weapons-modellers.

Ofcourse I am annoyed (I was even horribly angry, as you can clearly see in this thread) that our stuff was used without permission. The ooppee story was quite similar to this one, yes, apart from the fact ooppee altered the models & skins a great deal more.
I don't apologize for getting angry and I don't think I overreacted. If anyone feels I am either wrong or silly for that, so be it. I have my dignity, honour and morals, and no responsibility or real cause to do the work that your parents ought to have done at one time or other.

Bottom line:
1.) I will probably allow my work (see url above) to be used in quake ports and whatnot, if and only after the final version of Gen is released. It's possible that I change my mind about this, ofcourse, but I'm generally sure of it at the moment.

2.) I Will never give anyone permission to alter my skins. Conversion to another file format is ofcourse allowed and in extreme cases I'm willing to overlook lossy formats and palette conversions. By no means however, will I stand for recolors or other adjustements to my skins, or vertex manipulation of my models. I hope you understand that this makes the line of 'whose work' it is rather vague, and I designed my work with a specific result in mind. Sorry, but that is, on the whole, final.

3.) My skins are completely useless without the models and I cannot, and would never, give you or anyone permission to use someone else's work - you will have to contact & ask the appropriate artists when the time comes.

Apology twice accepted. I advise you to stay away from bad tempers - it's not helping your image or your interests. Good luck in creating your own models and skins in the future, if that is what you plan to do. And good luck in dealing with the likes of ssaknup or nemesis on your boards. Sometimes the endless anonimity of the internet seems too much to handle for some.

Cheers mate, and thanks for getting and keeping the port zip offline.


My final post in the bmodels thread:

Well creed i highly recommend you to try to make your own models..cuz from what i can understand you have quite much knowledge about the q1 engines. why not try it? since i do not think anyone creates models to q1 anymore..it's too bad the q1remodelling project went dead.