In  the rare case any of you tried to download this previously, the first version had a bug which (I assume) caused it to not work caused by last minute filename changes. I have since uploaded a corrected version. I'm not trying to spam, but it would be nice to get some feedback from those of you who also play UT (I know there are a couple atleast).

If "hardcore" is synnonymous with "spawn killing", then those altered numbers fit the bill perfectly.

True, but this significantly bumps up the damage on many weapons which were previously (imo) balanced and could be fought against. Those damage values would suggest that each shot has potential to outright kill the opponent with one or two hits, which can be done with the stock UT2k4 inventory. Numerically, there is much more emphasis on the rockets and lightning gun as they have become the most-valued items in the game, whereas before it was a blend of the RL, LG, Shock and Flak as the heavy hitters.

Does this mod looks like it'd recreate some Quake gameplay in UT? Yes.
Do the changes look like they'd add to the overall UT experience? No, not in my eyes - or at least with what's being presented.

Well, I think I prefer ut2004 the way it is. I like the way the weapons work. Mind, I like gen 99e the way that is too.   no facts like Tek, I just like the feel of the game.

Fair enough. All I ask is that you guys play it a bit first before you make up your mind about it. In a mod like this, the way the features are executed is just as important as the actual concept.  I'm not asking you to pick this version over regular UT and I can't argue with your personal preferences, I'm just asking for feedback on the it as an alternate way to play the game.

You should look more carefully at the weapons. The link gun ammo is hardly absurd. 300 cells is actually only 30 rounds of primary fire, and a few seconds of secondary fire. The assault rifle (I'm assuming you played the regular mutator, not XT) does the same amount of damage as the Q3 MG, and can be even more accurate depending on how you space your shots. In the XT version, it's very powerfull if you know how to use it. Double and triple rockets should be an instant kill, given the fact that it takes 2.4 seconds to fire them, UT's typical ranges are much longer than Quake, and "dodging" makes it easier to change directions suddenly. If you were playing the LG with the "light" version of my mutator, then it was only doing 80 damage. Furthermore, if you were using the XT version and it WAS doing 100 damage, I don't know why you would mention it as if it was a surprise when I told you it would before hand.

I In v.2 of the beta the flak might be slightly too slow; I delayed it by .2 seconds so you could actually hear the  pumping sound, but before it was the same refire rate as a Q3 shotgun; it shouldn't be that weak. If the flak shell doesn't seem powerfull enough then you're not aiming it right. Minigun windup is .5 and 1 second respectively for primary and secondary fire; it's not that hard to use.

My mutator does not overpower the weapons any more than Q1, Q2, Q3, or Gen overpowers weapons. I don't see you complaining "OMG Pho, the strogg railgun is instakill WTF are you doing!?" As for physics changes, if I knew how to code Quake style movement like strafe jumping to replace dodging/double jumping, I would, but I'm not really a programmer, and this isn't CPMA.

That's your problem; if you were doing the same thing in UT2004 it wouldn't have been thrilling either.

Post it, and I'll give it a go anyway.

Intresting.

I'll play this for a while and get my sons to give it a go too. This does seem more like Q3.

I am rapidly approaching my  midterm break, and I will have a lot more spare time to check this out Gnam.  I tried it out for about 10 minutes or so last night while making some food.  :p  It seemed to play pretty well to me, but then again, I haven't played UT2004 for several weeks so I really don't remember much of its gameplay. :p

When you guys get a chance, tell me what you think so far. I've changed the thing a lot in the past couple weeks though.

Basically, in addition to tweaking UT's default weapons, I've made an entire new set of Quake-like weapons. I don't have time to do models, and I don't think it's necessary, but I made a bunch of new skins for them all so you can tell them apart quite easily. Obviously, since UT allready covers most weapon 'archetypes' there are few weapons that do something drastically different than the others, but so far it seems to be a great alternate way to play. Some of the weapons I've done so far:

Shotgun- uses the shock rifle model, but completely different, military green, grungy looking skin. The primary fire is like a strogg SG blast, secondary is like an SSG blast. The spread, proportional to damage, is much wider than the flak cannon, but it's ability to cover such a wide area instantly makes up it.

Nail Gun- Fires flak chunks at a rapid rate similar to Quake's nailgun or plasma gun, but simlar to Unreal 1's stinger, alt fire is a spread shot. Rather than simply reuse the flak primary for alt fire, I reduced it to 6 chunks. Rather than increase the rate of fire accordingly,  the firing rate is about the same, but the spread is focused even tighter than it should be for firing only 6 chunks, so it is highly effective as a single shlt, mid range weapon. It uses the linkgun model with an orange/brown rust-colored skin.

Plasma Gun- The first thing I did, besides skinning it blue, is increased the rate of fire to match the standard Quake 600rpm, whereas the linkgun fires in slower, more concentrated "pulses" of 300-400 rpm. I have gone back on forth over the speed of the projectile; it's nice to have it be double rocket speed, just like the Q3 plasmagun (but not quite as damaging)  I'm tempted to reduce it to 1x speed to make it more distinct from the nail gun (the nails also travel at 2x). The problem is at 1x speed, it tends to be either spammy, useles, or overpowering depending whether the slow speed or the increased damage wins out. I could also give the slow projectiles a big blast radius instead of increasing damage, but then you wouldn't have to aim much to hit.
Either way, the secondary fire shoots a 50 damage projectiles which varies in speed from 66% rocket speed to 200% depending on how long you pull the trigger. You can lay down a rapid fire of slow high power blasts, or a single blast at equal or double rocket speeds.

BFG- I just did this as an experiment, but I kind of like it. Rather than using the complicated FOV/line of sight system of the real thing, it just fires a really slow plasma ball with 200 damage and a large blast radius. The primary fire is about 75% rocket speed and has the blast radius of a shock combo, with 1.6 second reload (i will probably divide it into .8 charge time and .8 reload) and the secondary is 50% rocket speed with a blast radius about 3 or 4 times the size. Unlike the redeemer you can reload it with link or plasma ammo.

Concussion Cannon- I've been messing around with this "mortar-type-thing". Since the flak cannon secondary is allready pretty close to a mortar, I made the shell for this thing even faster (2x rocket speed) and longer to reload. Like the mortar, the blast radius is only half as powerfull but very wide, and direct hits still do 100 damage. The current other fire mode is more like the vanilla flak shell, at 1x rocket speed and 1x reload time, but it's good for firing over walls at short range. What I thought about doing is making the alt fire like 3-4x rocket speed with almost no blast radius, so it's almost like a railgun, but it still arcs and has some blast radius.  What I want to do is have both modes get headshots, which would be cool.

Shot Cannon- this is just a variation of the flak cannon I rigged up to be instant-hit (well, the flak just goes at 10x speed) instead of ricocheting. Unlike the shotgun alt fire, the spread is not overly wide; more like the Q3 SSG than the Q2 SG so you have to aim a bit more but it has a bit more stopping power at range. Alt fire shell is just a regular explosion instead of shooting shrapnel or being extra wide.

Machinegun- this is kinda pointless, but it doesn't get any more pure and simple than the MG. Basically I just dumped the first shot accuracy of the assault rifle and reduced the maximum spread to a little smaller than the minigun. Alt fire is a sniper zoom.

Rocket Launcher- the current modified UT RL is pretty good as it is, but for variation's sake I'm trying to do another one. Basically the current plan is have one firemode be a pretty fast rocket (like Q1 speed) with a smaller blast radius. The other mode is a slow rocket with a wide radius (Q2/Doom without the spammy fire rate). So far it's not different enough to be interesting, but I'm still working on it. Since UT supports acceleration, maybe I could do something more like the original Earth RL that was going to be in Gen.

Pulse Cannon- like the flak cannon, but fires link plasma instead. Since there's no ricochet, the fire rate can afford to be faster without being overpowering. The blast radius is also kind of interesting.

Oh yeah- The Grenade Launcher!
uses the ONS GL model, but uses regular assault grenades. Primary fire shoots instantly instead of charging up like the AR and goes at a good set rate. Since there's no pre-fire time it's much more fluid. The secondary fire charges up, but to give you the max amount of control over where the grenade goes, it starts at 0 speed so you can just drop it on the ground if you want, or accelerate it all the way to rocket speed.

Anyway, still working on it, but I'll post it when I'm done with the next version.