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Unless Tabun objects, I'll take a stab at that knight. 
I finally got a chance to take the time to review the changes to the map. Good changes overall. The only real problem I noticed is sometimes it's hard to get out of the water. I was thinking of slightly deeper water to pose more of a "swimming" risk but the shallow moat with the "semi-neglected" look works out nicely. I think the surface might need to be raised by half a stairheight, or if that does not work perhaps the ground near the stairs raised slightly or clipped to allow bottom-stepping for an easier exit. Right now you have to "swim up" in order to clip the stairs enough to get out.
The railgun slugs in the shotgun room are useless for Strogg, Arena, and Earth. Doom and Slipgate get bullets and nails, respectively, but those other three need a railgun weapon to utilize slug ammo. I think a way to make those useful and also better balance out the BFG spawn would be to teamchain the BFG with a railgun so they alternate, like in Tokay's Towers, and set the respawn timer at 30 seconds. That would give each weapon some play. The long halls and tight turns can actually make railing tricky since you don't know where people are going to come from, and I don't see it really overbalancing the map if teamchained. Going in the drink is quite dangerous as it is, which is good.
I don't know what you've done, if anything, for controlling bot behavior. I did throw some random bots in for testing and I noticed they all congregate in the water and don't tend to roam anywhere outside of there.
I like the addition of the lamps and other asthetic tweaks. It really rounds out the map. The fog in the cellar with the barrels makes it feel more "dungeon-ish". Good call on moving the Personal Teleporter spawn, and the electric chair in the Medkit room was a nice touch. The respawn timers on the Quad and Invis seem fine. I did notice that it's easy to maneuver around and behind the trees in the water, and also the lamp posts in the big shotgun room. I'm not sure if I like the flat playerclips around the trees in the recessed archways, and the playerclips in front of the short arches still feel unnatural. If the goal is to keep people out from behind the trees I'd move the clipping plane back to about halfway through the tree so the collision feels a bit more natural. Sometimes it may be of some (arguable) benefit to duck behind one of those trees and crouch momentarily if low on health to escape a passing player, and anyone foolish enough to camp and try taking potshots from behind them makes for a nice juicy rocket "freebie". This is just my personal opinion. I tend to be the kind of player that likes to be able to run just about anywhere on a map that looks accessible.
That's all the critique I have for now, I'm really liking this map so far. I've got some Gen-related work I need to get done over the next week or so, and I'll try to see about getting to work on a knight model for you.
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I noticed the "swim up" effort to get to the stairs, I tried making the water deeper, the stairs are 16 units high each but they are clipped so it's actually 8 units height, and STILL have to swim up, unless someone knows a trick to easily access the first few steps under water, I won't be able to fix that, not that is a big deal in my opinion, but it bugs me. I can make the water deeper a little so you don't have to crouch to discharge the lightning gun. Alternating the BFG and railgun is a really bright idea I think, but I don't know how to do that. I'll ask my pk mapping guru, I'm sure he'll know and I'll get to it. I haven't notice the bots to be very stupid, I have botclipped certain areas but they roam the map pretty well, matter of fact I have camped the bridge with the earth mortar (my favorite new toy) waiting for them to lobe the rockets on their head and they don't come all that often, I spawn the bots on nightmare mode only tho (skill 5). I will unclip under the arches, no problem. The electric chair is pretty cool, too bad generations (or vanilla q3) doesnt support shooter_lighning :-) I have a different painkeep version and have a can of beans (similar to a megahealth powerup) in front of it, which triggers a several shooter lightnings from the chair to target the player that pickes it up and a trigger brush around it also and it's a really cool trap :-)  I tried the pk version in generations and it triggers the shooter and you can hear the zapping noise but nothing happens. |
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Actually Gen has shooters for every single weapon in the game (except melee weapons), and the shooter_lightning SHOULD work. I know it does in the test maps. They can do some pretty amazing things too, like targetting players, time delays, and a host of other neat stuff. We even have Q2-style lasers with four colors to choose from.
Let me get a roughed-out version of the SDK over to you, including a few sample maps, one of which shows off every shooter we've got.
Edit: I've sent you a PM with a link to the file. If you don't have popup windows enabled for our site check the top of the page, you should see "1 new message". Click that and it'll take you to your Inbox. 
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Cool, I've looked at the map and the only difference I can see is a fireduration parameter that I don't have in the pk version. I'll work on it sometime today and see I can get it working, I may use it to target the skeleton in the chair, not the player. In pk I have it set to target enemy, but we have a lot more health lying around the level than you guys :-)
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Yup, fireduration=1 made the difference, it works now :-)
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Let me get a roughed-out version of the SDK over to you, including a few sample maps, one of which shows off every shooter we've got. Would you mind giving me a link to this file as well, or is it a selective type thing? Such would certainly help out my own personal progress if you could. |
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If you wanna see what I mean you may d/l our pk version at http://www.flu.stonks.com/wolf3dpk-beta.zip and run it at generations, step close to the gate to the chair and you'll hear the zapping sound with no effect. The only thing I did differently in my gen test map was add that fireduration=1 and it worked. |
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hey flu, post a link to the newest working version, would you?
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So far is the same as my previous post ( genwolf-beta.zip ) but I have done a few things to it since and will be done some more today, I'll post after I finish sometime late today or tomorrow. |
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Although I haven't yet tried this map out (any version), I must compliment you on one thing, Flu: I don't think I've ever seen someone work this hard to please the people making the mod that he's doing a map for. Kudos to you for your cooperation and hard work! |
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Thanks!, actually I'm only doing it cause usually I already made the map any which way I like for painkeep arena, and I really knew next to nothing in generations mapping, but since the theme is related, I thought you guys may like'em too so I try to make a generations version too but I need LOTS of help for that.
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Good, we are almost at the end. The following is probably the last beta I'm gonna post. I may have forgotten to unclip an arch or two, but the arches in the shotgun room and with the knights are certainly unclipped. The water is deeper, zapping is easier now (and great fun) The railgun and BFG alternate (Awsome idea by phoenix IMO). Since it alternates, I reduced wait time to 1 minute instead of two. The electric chair is functional now, just for fun, it has no effect on the game at all. There are knights now, but I rather wait for the ones phoenix is working on. So go on and d/l and I dare you to find a bug :-) But WAIT, there's more........ If you act NOW!.......... for the same low price (free :- ) you also get.. WOLFY music. YES, no more console error that can't find wolfy.wav, BUT be aware that it will only be available for a very short time since it will NOT be included in the final map, because is an original wolf3d spear of destiny song, so enjoy it now and you'll be able to listen to it later in the final map if you extract it from the pk3 to the baseq3 folder. I will also not include it in the final map cause its way too large at 5 Mb wolf3dgen-beta |
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Awsome! I wish I could model, that's pretty cool and just like the original it seems.
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ya know , if you could make 1 of those axes swing or let it look like it drops out of a knight his hands , you might have a new kind of shooter .
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Not likely to happen. 
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Ahhh... I like the idea of the alternating super weapons =]
Good choice.
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Hate to double-post, but the link to the latest beta seems to be broken.
Anyone else getting this problem too?
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