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« on: 2004-11-11, 15:08 »

Whether people read this or not I'm going to post it anyway. Cuz obviously the problems you guys have with just seem to never end. Honestly for a while  I didn't think there was any problem after things died down after the two outbreaks in irc when i first came here. I never come on this site and I finally got around to reading the posts you guys had about me. Look at it this way. If I honestly didn't give a spork I wouldn't be here trying to resolve things. But I'm here and arguing isnt going to do anything cuz this shit just doesn't seem to end. Obviously you guys have issues with me which are still going on. Yes I sporked up with a first impression. Yes I have said things that were offensive but in the long run I had no intention of things Ive said to be offensive. I don't try to purposley piss you people off.
According to some, half of wirehead hates me. I wonder why that is. Others have told me many of you complain and rant about me to others and OBVIOUSLY that's not going to help solve the issue. It will only make things worse AND give people I haven't even met with the wrong idea of who i really am.  Just because I"m dating Lee doesnt mean hes my protector and guardian. I can solve my own issues and going to him about me isnt going to solve things either. To fix a problem you go to the source. For those acutlaly reading this I do appreciate it despite the impressions you guys have about me I do give a spork cuz I"m tired of dealing with this, you guys are tired of dealing with this, which makes us even. So help me resolve it CIVILY! I'm not just going to magically go away either. Why you ask? well hmmm lets think about this. Dating Lee includes being around people he knows and his friends. So either way I'm going to run into you people. So yeah this just wont go away on its own. Another reason I chat in wireahead irc is because I enjoy talking with other gamers and getting to know you guys despite anyone thinking what I"m saying now is utter bullshit. Either way this needs to be resolved and yelling and screaming at me won't do any good either. Once again I"m not here to argue and spam irc wirehead chat with my rants. And STOP sporkING TELLING ME TO GROW UP! you know how many people my age are WAY MORE sporkING IMATURE then i could ever be? its not like i go into the chat room and talk about sex or porn and shit like that the entire damn time. I do try to stay on topic. Hell you can turn 30 and people still think you need "5 more years" experience. obviously everyone has their own experiences.
I'm not sure how else to try to get through to you people cuz obviosly many of you dont even give a shit about this and keep ranting to me or to others about me. I know this isnt true to everyone BUT its the impression I"m getting from you people. Haven't you ever heard of SECOND CHANCES??? its not like i murdered someone. I'm trying to approach this as best as possible. Not sure how else to please you people before you finally sit down and talk with me. Everyone makes mistakes and mistakes are obviously there to learn from. Hence why I'm here. Guess theres nothing much else to say so we can either try to resolve this or you can do what I do......sit and try to suck up all the shit that is passed from person to person. So how about it?
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« Reply #1 on: 2004-11-11, 21:16 »

Hello. You don't know me. I don't go on IRC as I type too slow cos of my dyslexia. Pleased to meet you.
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-11-11, 21:21 »

Also hi .

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thats no reason to not go there .
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-11-11, 21:47 »

(real reason is my spelling) I spell like shiit
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« Reply #4 on: 2004-11-12, 00:09 »

GK can't type either, but that doesn't stop him from coming around. ;p
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« Reply #5 on: 2004-11-12, 01:40 »

Quote from: l4mby
GK can't type either, but that doesn't stop him from coming around. ;p
Doesn't stop us from making fun of him, either. ;p
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« Reply #6 on: 2004-11-12, 04:54 »

hey footman and gameskeeper. its nice to meet you guys too. of coures this thread doesnt pertain to you guy in techinicallities. this is more of to some main members who are in #wirehead channel all the time. but thanks for stopping by and saying hello. its nice to meet some new friendly people. alot of crap has happened since i entered into #wirehead channel and i was banned by "not going to say" but just because in his words he thought i was "sporking annoying" even though i havent done anythign at the moment. though i was banned for what i believe to be a extrememly stupid reason i will respect "person's" wishes and let them cool off for a while. plus im visitng lee tomorrow and i dont want him involved or to ruin his mood. i will only mention names if they want to get involved with this never ending situation and settle this like adults.
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-11-12, 05:21 »

OHMYGODITSAGIRL? HERE???

Get the hell out - DO NOT RUIN THE WIREHEAD SAUSAGE FEST WE JUST BROUGHT OUT THE BRATS

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« Reply #8 on: 2004-11-12, 11:14 »

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hey , I got banned 2 by some guys there , problem is , they also start not playing by the rules on the genservers .
( chatfragging because sombody said "LOL " is not nice !!! )

well , they let me in the channel again , and I just dont talk to those guys anymore . simple .
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« Reply #9 on: 2004-11-12, 11:47 »

Ok, nobody so far has piped up so I will.

Here's how I see things.  Draco, you're not a bad person, however you do have several personality traits that are causing many in the chat room to be uncomfortable and unhappy with your presense.  I neither like nor dislike you, I neither mind nor despise your presense.  I also have no fear of "retribution" from LeeMon, so I will give an honest assessment of the situation.  Feel free to accept or reject my observations.

First, you talk too much.  You're very fast on the keyboard, and don't give others much of a chance to speek inbetween your lines.  I blame this on youthful exuberence, but a constant flood of short lines in the middle of conversations tends to disrupt the flow of conversation.  It overpowers others and this annoys them.  Everyone else likes to have a say, and you're "hogging the chat", so to speak.

Second, people don't like to have to repeat themselves.  Many times a statement is made by one person, other people reply to it, and you react to the reply without understanding that it IS a reply.  You seem oblivious to the previous statement and ask what people are talking about.  This is disruptive.  Most people use the scrollbar to look back on the conversation to see what points they may have missed.  You appear unwilling to do this, and that appears to stem from a desire to talk much and listen little.  When one person does all the talking and other people feel they are not being listened too it makes them angry.

Third, you're quite self-centered.  Many times several people are holding separate conversations with each other at the same time.  You often react as though every line is addressed to you personally when most often they are not.  You interrupt people's conversations constantly with responses to statements that are not directed at you, or comments about people's statements toward each other.  This always occurs to some degree in conversation, but you carry it to excess.

Fourth, you constantly change the topics and are unable to stay focused on any one thing for any length of time.  You make a lot of statements, but do very little in the form of discussion.  You jump from topic to topic, thought to thought, and do a lot of unneccessary out-loud thinking on the keyboard.  An IRC chatroom is not a blog to record all of your thoughts, it's a room for conversation.

Fifth, whenever someone raises objection to your behavior you become instantly defensive and extremely aggressive in response.  Your behavior shows a pattern of acceptence seeking, followed by denial of any wrong doing whenever someone takes issue with your behavior.  Respect and friendship is a two-way street.  There's give and take, and while you ask for second chances you do very little to give people a reason to offer one when you bite their heads off for saying "I don't like it when you do this".  At one point you even asked people to talk to you to point out things you were doing that they found objectionable.  One member honored your request, and you catagorically rejected the assessment which you had specifically asked for, and instead began to lecture this member.  That is a very quick way to become unpopular and disliked.

Finally, all of this taken together is why you were ejected from the chat room.  This IS disruptive behavior.  It has nothing to do with personal dislikes.  We only kick and ban people for bad behavior and failing to follow requests from moderators to cool it when someone's behavior is disruptive, offensive, or otherwise objectionable.  The plain truth is that a number of people have raised objections in private to your behavior, but have been afraid of addressing it directoy from fear of LeeMon retaliating.  No matter how baseless this concern may be, it has still been present.

That is my assessment as a fairly impartial observer in this entire spectacle.  As I've stated before, I have no personal dislike toward you, but these have been the activities I've noticed that have raised objection among the more active members of the chat room.  I am hoping that you will contemplate this and engage in self-examination in place of denial, argument, and retaliation.  Your continued presense in the chat room depends entirely on your willingness to be positive and cooperative toward other members.  If you decide instead to think only of your own personal wants and ignore how your actions are affecting others within the chat room, and if continued disruptive flamewars and arguments result from your presense and behavior, then your presense will not be welcome, and I will support and enforce any decision made by any of the other moderators and channel ops in respect to this.
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« Reply #10 on: 2004-11-13, 06:21 »

first off Pho, let me start by saying how i really do appreciate your honesty and how your approach is one I have been acutally waiting cuz so far i usually get the "youf sporking annoying" or "just sporking grow up " bit which really doesnt explain alot to me and also gives me the wrong impression. thank you for taking the time to read my thread and responding with such ........advice? after reading it i can now fully or at least more im depth understand the other problems some of the main members have with me. *reads again* yeah i do type alot and usually i end up tyiing super fast cuz im trying to keep up with the others which i guess kept me from fulling reading what they said. *reads...* flood of short lines.....yeah i guess i do do that. i really am sorry for that cuz i honestly dont mean to hog the chat. *reads....* im not  unwilling to scroll back and look at the previous stuff that was said i just didnt realize this problem was going on. in true honesty i didnt think anything was going on until "person" said something and banend me from the channel. *reads....* self centered, arent we all? but yes one of my vices is that i can become very defensive and i do try to work on it, at least outside of chats with people in person. my impression. i have been told  at least outside of chats that i do tend to jump into conversations. *nervous laugh* *reads....* i dont always change topics and i can focus very much on a topic but i do admit i can be very random..... i know irc isnt  a what you call "blog recorder" i dont always type whats on my mind. but once again thank you for your honesty......*reads on* lectured a member? heh well i cant say i i remember who exactly but once again i do appologize to whoever you are talking about.....*reads* ah see now thats more of an explanation of why i was kicked. i was getting the impression from the "persons" screaming at me and waht not that he just kicked me cuz he was tired of my "sporking annoyance"  *reads* i dont stay focused on my personal wants and needs when i come into a chat but i appoligize for giving you , pho, or anyone else that impression because whether anyone belives it or not that isnt like me what so ever. i know this sounds like bullshit  but i posted this thread for a reason and so i thank you pho for yoru honesty and for explaining things in a much better detailed point of view. i stil  would love to come into chat and enjoy talking with all of you and get to know new people i after reading everything pho said i will try not to do basically everything pho says i have done or thought i was doing. so with one big breathe, i once again appologize for any misleading points of my actions and or things i have said and accidentally offened anyone. i understand if most of you dont want me in the chat anymore but i appologize or misunderstandings.
btw, i will have to come back into the chat at least to discuss this further with pho and some other main members, not necessarily to bend the rules.
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« Reply #11 on: 2004-11-14, 02:05 »

As i can see your ban is now gone, i suggest you use this second chance and try to follow the "rules" we are all here to have fun.
And to have fun you must respect your fellow humans (you get much farther in life if you just follow this simple rule).

But as far as i can see you are not a bad person, maybe you just have to "grow up" a bit and to be honest i can't say much about you since i've havent chatted much with you i rely on 2nd hand information here.
btw it's time to leave this behind and continue on!

teh evil swede has spoken
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« Reply #12 on: 2004-11-14, 04:31 »

hee hee thanks reboot.  lol  evil swede indeed. im part swede actually. ban gone? okay. guess i can safely say that i can venture back into the irc realm and slow down my insane typing speed. dont know abotu anyone else but i was trying to put this behind me in the beginning, not saying i wanted to ignore people. just speaking in general. okay. well ill be online like if im not busy or at lee's house. tty all later. draco out........ <3
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