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« Reply #40 on: 2005-09-09, 03:37 »

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Hehe - there's a thriving indie culture, musically, in the states too, so it's not as obvious a difference

Ech, except here indie spawned emo...
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« Reply #41 on: 2005-09-09, 11:06 »

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The of the post I will ignore, since it shows that there's apparently a misunderstanding of the intentions of lyrics.
So what are the intentions then?  Doom - Huh?
It's hard to misunderstand:

"daddy aint around, prolly out commitin' felonies
my favorite rapper use to sing check check out my melody
i wanna live good so should i sell dope
for a four finger ring and one of them gold ropes
nana told me if i passed id get a sheepskin coat
if i could move a few packs id get the hat, now that would be dope
tossed and turned in my sleep that night,
woke up the next mornin' niggas had stole my bike
diferent day same shit aint nothin good in the hood
i run away from this bitch and never come back if i could"


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I hear Fats Domino has been found?

Who's that?
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« Reply #42 on: 2005-09-09, 14:39 »

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Intentions and literal content of a message are not one and the same. I'm not going to touch that text, and I see no reason to generalize. Some rappers become paper-chasers, others grow up in a community that plays an active role in the development of their forms of expression. You may or may not value that community, their customs or their way of expression, but this does nothing to stop artists emerging from it to be self-aware, critical and creative. They are entirely free to use words, sayings, mannerisms and literary and melodical constructs that not only originate from their community, but also are directed at it.

I can't help but wonder at the arrogance with which so many people look down upon so many things they do not fully know or understand. Sure, 'ghetto products' are not sophisticated in the way that classical music is, by a long shot, and this goes for many other expressive art around the globe. Sure, there's hacks, frauds, money-grabbers and fools out there, contributing an ubiquitous pile of meaningless garbage - but they are everywhere. I can totally understand it if you don't enjoy listening or exploring a genre like 'crime-rap' - I myself am not really partial to it, excepting a handful of masterpieces - and you can choose not to read between the lines. Those are no grounds for denying evident social criticism, expressions of hartfelt emotions and the like, or demanding songs about 'butterflies', whatever good that may do them or us.

(yes, yes, my apologies for staying off-topic, but I didn't see any contributions to the main theme yet, anyway)

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Antoine Dominique "Fats" Domino is rather famous :]
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« Reply #43 on: 2005-09-09, 15:58 »

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diferent day same shit aint nothin good in the hood
i run away from this bitch and never come back if i could"
Slipgate - Off Topic Actually, this particular example is summed up right here.  This piece is more about describing the crap going on around the person that they don't want a part of and desperately want to escape.  THIS I have absolutely NO problem with whatsoever.  I may not care for the music, but this is a good example of what does not bother me.

What bothers me is the commercialism that constrains other forms of expression in favor of "what sells," along with promoting the those individuals whose work outright glorifies murder, rape, drugs, racism, and cruelty to women.  I can't stomach that any more than I can stomach a fatwa from some Islamic cleric demanding the beheading of "infidels", or the decrees of some hatemongering preacher holding signs up saying "God hates fags".  I'm not for limiting expression, I'm for removing the overt commercial limitations on it, while also putting a burden of responsibility on the industry to mind its own material and not allow what is obvious filth to be passed off as music, when it's just indoctrination of everything I know to be evil.
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« Reply #44 on: 2005-09-09, 18:40 »

timberlake (tim-ber-laek): sterilized, talentless, unchallenging shite.
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« Reply #45 on: 2005-09-10, 14:16 »

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timberlake (tim-ber-laek) Commercialized Music: sterilized, talentless, unchallenging shite.
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« Reply #46 on: 2005-09-10, 19:44 »

Absolutely. Of which Timberlake is but one example.

BTW I didn't even know Fats Domino was still alive.
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