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« Reply #20 on: 2006-03-23, 09:04 »

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But Socialism involves personal vendettas & pure hatred [...]

Wow. Do they teach you that in schools these days? No wonder everyone's so miffed about their school systems. I suggest you read some good books on the subject, and forget what they told you. It's rubbish. Perhaps a good course on what 'ideologies' exactly are and how that concept evolved/devolved throughout the centuries won't hurt either.
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« Reply #21 on: 2006-03-23, 10:57 »

I do not refer to their true forms, i'm talking about the one used nowadays. I'm sure they are both good ideas, but they are not used correctly. And they don't teach this in school, my goverment teachs this to everyone through their acts. You know what was their first reaction when they got a hold of the goverment? To get everyone that wasn't from their party of communist out of banks, hospitals, police, goverment. You know what the Minister of Defense said about the strikes of our police forces? He said, and quoting,

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I think that their attitude is anti-democratic. They should be ashamed of their attitudes.

You know why they were on a strike? Because they took the Health privileges they had, including (if I'm not mistaken) free healthcare. Do you think that this was an anti-democratic attitude? I think not! These people don't care about the people, yet they call themselves "Socialist Party". Shame on you, you damned extremists!
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« Reply #22 on: 2006-03-23, 17:19 »

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Wow. Do they teach you that in schools these days? No wonder everyone's so miffed about their school systems. I suggest you read some good books on the subject, and forget what they told you. It's rubbish. Perhaps a good course on what 'ideologies' exactly are and how that concept evolved/devolved throughout the centuries won't hurt either.
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« Reply #23 on: 2006-03-23, 21:48 »

Well in the case of Iraq, you have the problem of Sharia law.  Muslims tend to want to establish theocracies by default.  That's the problem they're having with Afghanistan right now.  They want to execute a Christian convert because converting away from Islam, according to Sharia law, is punishable by death.  This, after the country is "liberated" from the Taliban.  Keep in mind this is actually against the new country's constitution, but the country's constitution contradicts the Koran, so you have a bit of a church/state problem that rather eclipses the whining you hear about in the US.  There's a big difference between wanting to have a cross on your desk if you happen to work at a government office and happen to be Christian, and using judicial authority to enforce the laws of your religion.  Afghanistan and Iraq are interesting experiments in that democracy and western "Free Will" principles of living are meeting head on with Islamic cultures.  Can democracy survive Islam, and vice-versa?  That's the question I'm curious about, assuming Iraq doesn't spiral completely out of control.

There are many forms of undesirable government, economics, and what have you.  The question is, which kind do the people want?  What gives them the most personal freedom and quality of life?  What's fair, and oppresses the least?  What keeps the power hungry in check?  McDeth is right in that it is human nature that unhinges every idealist's dreams.  Communism works very well on paper, but historically, in practice, it's failed dismally and always resulted with tyrannical, authoritarian regimes being in control instead of the people.
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« Reply #24 on: 2006-03-23, 21:59 »

Thats because people, in general, are stupid easily led sheep.  If we were to take out that part of the equation, then we wouldn't have those problems any more.  We also, however, wouldn't be human.  People have to actively try to find the middle ground between safety and government... try dancing on top of a razor blade garden
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« Reply #25 on: 2006-03-23, 22:29 »

Slipgate - Off Topic [KruzadeR]: "I do not refer to their true forms, i'm talking about the one used nowadays. I'm sure they are both good ideas, but they are not used correctly."


I could say the same about money. Slipgate - Off Topic
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« Reply #26 on: 2006-03-25, 10:44 »

Boy do you have a personal vendetta against money...
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« Reply #27 on: 2006-03-25, 16:07 »

Among other things, yes. Thumbs up!
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