I've protested the Iraq war since the day it started. Maybe invading it was ok, who knows.. but this whole turning Iraq into a democracy thing doesn't fly too well with me. I firmly believe that in order for something to work, you have to want it in the first place. Invading the country and dismantling the current government, no matter how corrupted, then offering democracy doesn't work... yea sure they're making constitutions and all that jazz, but do they really want it? I doubt it. I think the ones who are are just saying 'yes' to move things along and get us out of there. But even if they did, it wouldn't last long in that area anyway... Seriously, look at the surrounding countries. Nobody over there likes the 'western influence'.. they never did. If we want this crap to work, we're stuck there for a few decades at least.

Oddly enough, Hussein was the only person holding that country together... be it by an iron fist and ruthless methods or not. Look at the country now... you have the Shits, the Sunnis, and the Nerds all fighting over it. Forcing them to stick together and work it out diplomatically isn't going to work.

*didn't read the link posted.. just flying solo. And yes.. I become more anti-US the more Bush is in office. I should move to Canada, can't be any worse*

  I wouldn't mind speaking German... I'd like to actually. I think it's an interesting language.. took it for a year in high school, but never followed up on it.  

Yes people, stop bitching and whining about this. We all know Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, STFU about it. No more questions, no more conspiracy-nut stories. Forget it already, it was a long time ago.
Or wait, what US gov. coverup story were we talking about again? Man it's hard to keep track.

Look, democracy may or may not work, but, here's the thing.  If you believe something is good, you want to share it with people, and give them a shot at it.  If they screw it up, it was theirs to screw up.  That's the whole point.  With democracy, you do have a choice.  Under a dictatorship, you have no choice at all.  Saying that control under a dictator is better than chaos under freedom seems rather strange to me.  You might want to discuss that topic with people who have lived under actual dictatorships and oppressive regimes sometime, and see what their opinion is.  Try someone from Poland or Romania, perhaps?

As for whether or not Arabs want it, well that's up to them.  The question is whether or not you think they deserve it.  Do all humans deserve the same rights, or are we back to "they're not smart enough" or "those people can't ever get it."  Why?  Because they've been stuck in a rut?  How are they ever going to think differently if they're never given any alternatives to dictatorships and Islamic law?  Nobody has ever tried this before, so you can't say it is doomed to fail.  Perhaps it is, perhaps it's not, but nothing important in history has ever been done that did not involve risk and sacrifice.  That's the only lesson I'm trying to get people to remember here.  I hate humanity as a rule, and I find it rather odd that I'm the one actually trying to see the value of all human life equally.  Has this species learned absolutely nothing from its own history?  

The only thing I learned from history is that the majority of humans have no value at all.. if this includes me, then all the better.

As for Arabs deserving democracy.. sure, if they want it. But no one deserves capitalism.

I'm saying it shouldn't even exist.

But.. whatever. I'm against the war in Iraq.. but I'm also against leaving. We're there, might as well finish the job. I just don't expect it to be quick... and anyone who does is.. meh, I'll save that.

"There's a lot at stake here. It's not just about Iraq.. it's not just about today's situation in Iraq. It's about where we're gonna be ten years from now.. in the Middle East.. and whether or not there's gonna be hope, and uhh.. the development of governments that are responsive to the will of the people, that are not a threat to anyone, that are not safe havens for terror, or manufacturers of weapons of mass destruction. That's our vision and our view." - Dick Cheney

That's really all I wanted to hear. Actually put me in a good mood hearing it too. I think it's going to take a lot longer than ten years tho.. so hey, let's beef up that army and prepare for the long haul.

Some people do deserve Socialism though just like some people deserve horse whippings.

I think Capitalism rules. We can take advantage of anybody we want and get away with it because the economy doesn't have a conscience. It's a perfect crime.

Funny, capitalism does that too ...

Capitalism has just as many 'feelings' as Socialism does. But all systems and governents suck anyway... they're all corrupted, every one.

And what all this has to do with protesting the war Iraq.. I dunno.