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Then I said, "That's like being busted at looking at gay porn, then you say, 'I'm just looking', then I will question your sexuality." He said, "Good point." One wonders if this includes lesbian porn.. they are, after all, gay women. Probably not..  Oh yea.. forgot..  |
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Which takes me to the next question: Why did Apple switch to Intel? Are they nuts? IBM has the Cell CPU, not to mention other things. I know a person that said a few days ago that IBM "won't go to 5GHz, they are at 5GHz in the labs", and he knows what he says. Apple is going nuts... or are they? Is the switch to Intel a way to help software producers to make more programs to Intel? Is this a tip for MACOSX goes PC?
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Washu: It's not enough to just upgrade the CPU, otherwise I would have done that. My system board is limited to a 133MHz front side bus speed. The maximum I can run on this board is a 1.66 GHz CPU, and right now I'm running a 1.53GHz CPU. I'm running a 1.53 GHz Palamino core Athlon XP 1800+, on an Asus A7V266-e system board. Replacing the processor isn't worth it, and I have nothing else to put my old CPU into anyway. I don't like spare parts just sitting around collecting dust. I'm also limited to PC 2100 RAM speed. I have PC3200 ram on the board awaiting an upgrade, but I have to do a full system board/CPU update, which means the price goes up. Anything worth having is on PCI-e now, and I'm not into plunking down over $200 for an already third-generation system and be stuck with AGP still. My min spec that I'll tolerate is a 2.2 GHz Athlon 64 with a 1 MB cache on a PCI-e system board. That means I also have to have some kind of video card until I can afford a high-end one, and even a cheap one still costs some money. It also means getting a heatsink and fan compatible with socket 939.
One thing I won't tolerate is cheap or substandard components. Everything I use is high quality, so that's another financial barrier. I know what I want, and I won't get anything less than that. I'm not talking "most expensive fastest processor", what I mean is high quality products, regardless of speed. Add to that the fact that I do intend to update to a high-end video card to replace the interrim one, and that adds another $300-400 to future cost. I already have the RAM I need, which is currently in use on this system, but when budgeted out what I need to upgrade my system it will cost me at least $500, and I have to do it all at once. Add $300-400 to that for the video card I want and it's approaching $900 total. Even $500 is way outside my budget right now.
You might say, why all at once? Why not piecemeal it? The system board/CPU/video card requirement is the primary factor. I'm also not going to sit 6 months on a component that I can't test for defects and go outside any kind of return period when I go to plug the thing in, plus it's a waste of money to buy something you can't use right away since it depreciates and would cost less later. I know manufacturer warranties run longer than that, but a lot of places, like NewEgg, you can return a DOA item within 30 days and it's a lot easier than dealing with the manufacturer. I've had to RMA parts to manufacturers before, and even the good ones have horrible turn-around times. It's a lot easier for me to just get all the parts at once and put it all together and test it out right then and there. Until I can get enough cash to do so, I'm stuck with what I've got.
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Why did Apple switch to Intel? Are they nuts? IBM has the Cell CPU, not to mention other things . Hence the nick name people give it: Maninteltosh. One thing I won't tolerate is cheap or substandard components. Everything I use is high quality, so that's another financial barrier. I totally understand your point. Your not going to just go to your local dollar store, and buy 2gb of pc3200 from a brand you have never heard of. Let me give you some advice: Just because it's the most expensive, doesn't mean that it's the best. I assume you know this but that's besides the point, I just want to reinnerate it. A good example is the Geforce 7800 GTX. It's $400. But you know somthing else. The Geforce 7900 GT. Which through various benchmarks, have proven it was much faster than the 7800 GTX, and it's only $300. Faster and cheaper. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E168141302547800 GTX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E168141501397900 GT A great mainboard manufacturer is DFI. They are cheap boards, $100-$200 for a socket 939, and they are great for overclocking. Opterons are fairly cheap for the value and quality you get from them, from $175-$700. They are the overclocker's dream, they can take a beating, and you'll still see you face on its shiny die. (or dies in my case) You could get a 1.8 Ghz Opteron for 939 for $175. People have gotten a 1Ghz overclock on stock cooling, (which 939 heatsink and fan are include by the way) stable, easily That's the great thing about opterons; they are made to take a beating. They run cool, and are more power efficient. Just some insight for you. |
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Oh I'm certainly not of the mindset that expensive == better. I look at several factors when choosing something like a video card, mainboard, etc. Reliabilty, performance, and testing all come to mind. I want rock-solid reliability. That is my primary consideration in any component. Performance comes in second behind that. I do not like having parts fail on me. I do a lot of research before I pick company X's product over company Y's.
Regarding Opterons, what Woods brought up with them being able to run 32-bit Windows I find interesting. I had been under the impression that you could not run a 32-bit OS on them. I need to do more research on the Opteron's capabilities and performance to better understand what differentiates them from the Athlon 64 line.
Edit: After some quick investigation, it looks like not a whole lot except having additional hypertransport links for multiple-CPU server stations. That and the CPU's being unlocked. Otherwise the Opteron is the same as an Athlon-64. Not only that, but any socket 939 Opteron looks like it can run on any socket 939 board. This opens up a LOT of possibilities for me if I save up a little extra, though I'm torn between dual-core or faster single-core. I want to run 2.4 GHz or greater no matter what, which concerns me for dual-core since even a 2.0 GHz dual core is close to $400. I plan on using a Thermalright XP-120 heatsink and a nice powerful 120mm fan on whatever I choose. I don't like severe overclocks since I prefer hot environments, so I'm hedging on single core for now, but still, I'm at least several months off on committing to a CPU.
Thanks a bundle Washu. I'm always pleased when someone tips me off to something I didn't know before.
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I am also considering the Opteron 180, which is $700 (ouch) but I want it over 3 Ghz, an dit's core clock is 2.4Ghz.
I'm glad I could help! :)b
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I'm glad to see a person caring about thermal problems in PCs. It's a very important thing that many people ignore when buying stuff like a new CPU. But please keep in mind that cooling isn't only big fans and cryogen tubes going through the PC.
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I have a joystick you can use... heh heh.  |
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That's just wrong on so many levels... Why not just casemod a dildo if we're going for phallic references? Maybe a few one liners about hard drives, hardware, or even cybersex while we're at it? Nah, I was get the point across about how great this thing is. It is so great, people get boners just thinking about it, and even a bigger one knowing that it's going into my sexy computer case that I modded myself. Oh yeah, I modded it so that just futher increased the boner because I am so great. Everytime I walk through a grocery store and come out I see a lot of hunched over guys limping to their cars, I even get boners just thinking about my awsomness. |
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I suppose it's a good thing I don't have a penis then, otherwise while flying I might catch myself on powerlines thinking about your "awesomeness." 
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No wonder you're so homophobic.. whole herds of guys limping after you.. the clerk going "paper or rubber?" etc.. now it all makes sense! ;]
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Since when did the talk about computers turn into this dirty-thinking discussion!?  |
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Computers have a lot to do with boners. For example my graduation presents I just got: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822136012http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16829102189With all this my system specs stand at: DFI nForce4 Infinity SLI AMD Opteron 165 Dual Core 128kb L1 Cache per core, 1mb L2 Cache per core, at 1.8 Ghz per core stock. Plus high overclocking potential. 2 Geforce 6800 in SLI 4 GB of PC3200 WD Raptor X 150GB S-ATA 10K RPM 16MB Cache HDD Maxtor 32.5GB IDE HDD Maxtor 74GB IDE HDD Sound Blaster X-Fi "F4tal1ty" Sound Card with dedicated processor, and 64mb of dedicated sound memory. OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU I wouldn't call something like that dirty personally. Besides, is that not boner inducing? If I were to take pictures of it and post it on these forums, I may get banned for posting pornography, because my computer is so hot, and boner inducing. Not appropriate for children.  Tab you hit it on the nail there. All guys drool at my sheer manliness, and it bends the straightest of bars if you know what I mean. Gah, I'm sorry, I just had to post that.  I am just so excited to get my parts. Er parts, yeah.... :rules: |
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F4tal1ty can eat my waste.
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Yeah I guess I concur.
But the sound card kicks ass though.
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Bah, you mammals want something "boner inducing", let me show you what should constitute porn:
Stuff like this should just be banned.(Oh wait, that's right, they did ban it in California.)
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Oh.... *boner*
Porn....
Being a "bird" and all, you sure know what give "us mammels" boners, like that picture of that sexy ass sniper rifle.
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