No worries.  You railed me a bunch of times, and you did well by your team.  I was reminded how woefully out of practice I am.  As long as everyone had a good time, that's what matters.  Thanks to all who played! 

That was a blast!  And my first populated game of Gen on the 'net!  Hope we can all do this again soon.
Yeah, Shambler was clearly a little more competent than the rest of us

Very good games last night.  I think you did well, vamp, and you also helped balance the teams.  Marne played some good D, especially on the map we lost on when I was earth.  I just could not get in and out fast enough with the flag, which is very different compared to arena or slipgate (or doom, I guess).  I don't think I'm very good with doom.  I don't know the projectile speeds well enough to place them (unless I'm very close), they do seem slower than the rest.

I think I mentioned to Phoenix that tricking has some practical applications in real games, so it can be very beneficial to learn it.  If anyone wants to better hone their strafing or anything else, just ask.  I don't play often, but I like teaching people how to strafe (or strafe better), rj, and plasma.

Also, I just wanted to add that I think I've decided to retract my statement about q1's physics.  I don't think it's identical, but it definitely does accel.  I made the comment last night that I think it felt slower when you use random just because all of the other classes have a very different movement, but once you play slippy for a few spawns, especially running the flag, you get back into the groove of it.

I think shamblers will be my permanent generations name

Yeah, I'm aware that Earth is better suited to defense, but on the map with the bridge over the water you guys had already started running the flag while I was talking about switching classes.  By that time, I needed to play O.  If we are already down, it would be unlikely that we would cap.  I could have played D and kept it 1 to 0, but in those situations I'm more of the "no guts no glory" mindset.

If I play seriously with real CTF players in Q3 then my best position is defense, that's why I wanted to play O as much as possible.  If I play defense it is very unlikely there will be any caps against us, but then I have to depend on my offensive players being able to penetrate the defense of the enemy.  Aside from that, offense is more "fun", and since it's just a friendly game, I might as well do what I feel like instead of play seriously and strategically.  I never play "real" ctf unless it's a scrim or other type of important match -- and I've played one of those in the past year, so I don't do it often.  I just like to have a good time.

Also, arena is technically faster than slippy in flat out speed, but slippy's maneuverability is what gives him that edge on confined maps.  I forget the name of the map, but it's one of the original q3 3wave maps.  w2 is courtyard conundrum, and I think w1 is the one with the large fog pit; I'm guessing it's w3.  Anyway, I ran in, got the flag and outran you both not because of sheer speed, but because I could quickly turn around those corners without losing momentum.

Doom is fast, but I actually caught up to Marne's doom strafing with arena strafing.  Obviously, a single individual will strafe faster with doom compared to his or her own capabilities with arena.

Earth I just can't figure out, though.  I don't know what to do with him.  I like that he has some of the better spawn loadouts (arena also spawning with a machinegun), which helps protect from being run over after spawning.  I do have to generally agree with you about him.  Defense is almost certainly his best location.  The only other place I think he would do well is mid (which at times can be similar to mid fielders in soccer, but mostly is a mid defense type position).

Typically, the positions in serious CTF matches are as follows: D, High D, Mid, Offense.  It's been years since I played like that, but it was not to be taken lightly in pickups, scrims, and especially when ringing for a clan in an actual match.  You had to have plenty of binds, and especially on defense for notifying others if you were near death or respawned well out of position so they can pull back until you are back and well equipped to deal with incoming enemies.  Honestly, I don't care that much about quake anymore, lol.  I just enjoy having a good time    The only time I fall back to defense and hold it is when I know teams are heavily stacked against me.

Other than that, I like doom's plasma gun and the combat shotgun doesn't seem too bad.  I just don't think that map was any good for using the plasma, and you know what I'm capable of with hitscans (even when they aren't unlagged ).  Although, in clan arena (RA3), I use just about everything, but lean heavily to rockets.  I really would love to show you how I play in there, hehe.  If you think I'm tough in generations, you ain't seen nothing yet.  The last time I played, though, I was missing way too much for what I usually do in unlagged.

All-in-all generations is still a very fun mod, so tweak when necessary or for the "balanced" mode.

Hmmm.  You know what, I was thinking you were on my team (were you? on Polaris?).  I thought it was you, but maybe it was Kajet I was running behind... or maybe I was chasing an enemy...  Either way, I thought I was chasing a doom, and he was strafing, and I thought it was you.  Are you sure you weren't doom on polaris?

lol, forgot to answer your question about quake 1.  You don't use forward, this is the biggest difference between the other classes (although, if you want me to teach you, I can show you how to strafe in a strafe line with the others using only left or right strafe or both, or forward only or backward only, lol, I can do it all).  So what I do is a simple circle jump to begin, then switch to only strafe keys and use the mouse to maneuver.  Slippy's air control is much, much higher as you know, so moving the mouse alters direction immediately.  This means you use slight outward turns so you're doing a little whibble wabble back and forth but maintaining the same general heading.  Doing this means you gain extra speed.  A turn ends up accelerating you even more so, since you don't have to maintain a straight line and can gain all you want from the mouse movement.

Outside of the Sniper Rifles, isn't the Earth class pretty on par with their classic incarnation? I mean, the Napalm Launcher and Mortar were in the SNES version after all. I guess that an argument could be made against the Duel Gatling Guns, but their presence seems justified enough after showing up in the hands of all those Grosse characters.

I still wouldn't mind seeing old Sarge's grandson, Commander Keen, in game to some extent to another...

Well, the point I was making about polaris is that it needs some mid spawns, not spawns in the enemy base.

Regarding the enemy base spawns, there are more than a few 3wave maps that have enemy base spawns, so I doubt it has something to do with your spawn code.  While spawning in the enemy base is good for trying to get the flag or kill an FC, you also are more likely to be killed quickly before you get a chance to do either of those things (depending on the overall level of teamplay going on).