http://steamcommunity.com/app/282440/workshop/

I'm not posting this to advertise Quake Live and have an ignorant unrealistic demand for "poort generation's to quake live this gona be huge", but rather one about vigilance and awareness that workshop is horrible when it comes to honor and respect for authors' rights.

and yes tabun's models popped up there, without permission no doubt.  I commented asking if he had permission, I got no answer and my comment deleted, so yeah....

The thing is, with Quake Live, you have to alter the files to get them to work.  Scale and shaders need to be corrected, PNGs have to be made (rather than TGA which I prefer) though I don't know how this guy broke the sounds but he is definitely altering them.

This is really just the beginning of the workshop.  Eventually someone will have the "bright idea" to take Generations Arena stuff wholesale and up it to the workshop without authorization sooner or later...

Holy shit, they didn't waste any time

Most custom models use unofficial plugins based on unofficial MD3 specs and the like so there'll be unforeseen problems like scale being off.


I've done a test export from Blender to Quake Live and it was way too big.  The new quake fandumb won't realize and will submit things that aren't theirs in the workshop anyway, like the coralctf with broken shaders


I also posted on ..::LvL about this issue.

Interesting that your results were too big, because upon closer inspection I've noticed that the models I've been testing with (simply loading up the .pk3 in most cases) are actually a bit on the small side (Pi, Fritzkrieg, Reaper and Mistress, especially the last two). It's tricky to do a side-by-side comparison, given how vanilla Q3 handles models switching ingame, but there's definitely something, well, off.

For the record, I've been screwing around with these assets for my own amusement and had no intention of posting this stuff on the Workshop anyway. I'll admit that I don't know the first thing about 3D modelling, I really just wanted to expand the bot roster.

It's strange though that some shaders port forward into QL and some don't. About a year ago I tried my hand at porting QL's new Crash, James and Janet (Callisto) skins back into Q3. I managed it, but it was a pain in the arse, and they only work in Icculus.

So, all things considered, unless I get my arse in gear and learn Blender or 3DSMax, I suppose this was a wasted effort

For player models... here's a general rule.  The player bounding box is 56 units high.  A standard Q3 model is going to be somewhere around that height.  Your units in your modeling program should have a 1:1 correspondence to the exported .md3.  The best way to test this is to import an existing model such as Doom or Ranger, and re-export, then test it side-by-side in the game (under a different name) with the original.  If there's a height difference then your import/export utility is fux0ring the units.  Whenever I do model work I always use an existing model as a reference as well.  It helps greatly with proportioning and placement... though I'm mainly dealing with weapon models, the same principles apply.

Scal, do you have a copy of the Q3 shader manual?  If not, it has every shader function Q3 uses for both maps and models.  I can provide a copy.  If a shader function is not in that it won't work in normal Q3.  If you have a particular shader that's not working I can explain what's going on with it.  I know the shader language inside and out.

@Pko: I would like to at least get a basic understanding of Q3's shader language. My exploits with the QL skins had me basically going by texture names with regards to what was needed, and any entries which caused conflicts were simply deleted Amazingly, after about three hours of trial and error I managed to get them looking as they should, but I doubt I could replicate it.

Oh, and it had to happen.

Small model issues don't stop oblivious people.

Yeah, I susbcribed to that mod just to see if they'd been corrected. Nope.

Funnily enough, I've actually managed to get hold of Pi and Fritz' official team skins from Quake Arena Arcade. Even got them working properly with my (extremely) limited shader knowledge.

I'm half-tempted to post them at this rate. Probably won't though

@Pho: Good stuff. I'll be giving that a perusal over the weekend.

Common sense prevails. Very much the exception rather than the rule.