I've never defined myself by a party, I vote for the candidate I see most fit for the position, but our buddy W hasn't got a chance this year.

I goto some of my college classes on a base (Mcdill Airforce Base), and most of the people there have been ragging on Bush. A friend of mine in Virginia also goes to school on base, and he has a similar situation.  

Considering Republicans usually get a majority of the military's vote, I'll be interested to see who supports Bush this year (aside from Religious wackos, who hes hooking now with the gay marriage diversion, and people who vote Republican regardless of whos running).

But ya, that post from Shacknews pretty much nails everything on the head.

Go Kerry!

hey I didn't vote for him(bush)...:angry:
reasons to vote against bush this time:
1) he screwed up the budget... After clinton fixed it!!!
2) he's messing with the constitution... the constitution's sole purpose is to protect people's rights, not constrict them
3) iraq... (need I say more)

I know there are more... (please list any u think of)

Were it not a total waste of my vote, I think I'd most likely vote Libertarian or something. But, as it is, nothing W has done so far really affects me.

I'm not gay, I don't live in Iraq, I think there's a lot of stuff on public broadcast that belongs on cable or some other subscription service, I fail to see how the Patriot Act really affects me, so whatever I'll just go Republican in the hopes the party will one day return to its smaller government roots...

That, and I can't figure out where Kerry stands on anything, I'm definitely against the Democrat's social welfare stance, so it really boils down to a lesser of two evils.

Even though Clinton did indulge in over-spending and raised taxes (and what recent president HASN'T done at least one of the two, really?), he also had things set up that by now, the budget should have been fixed. We were also set to finally pay off the national debt, rather than constantly add to it. Bush screwed that up when he decided to give $300-$600 tax refunds to everyone.

However, I have to say one thing: Do not vote third party. Yes, it's a wonderful thing that the option is there, but it would be a spoiler for the main two candidates, and more likely for Kerry. That's part of what happened last time, although the primary reason was family ties in Florida.

And it's true that what seems like the better option could turn out worse, but at this point, I'd rather have (almost) anyone over Bush The Second right now.

Your vote matters because you're voting for a representative of the candidate you vote for to place the vote in the electoral college. That's what the entire thing in Florida was about, when you get down to it.

Of course, if it was only the popular vote, we wouldd have I Robot in the White House right now instead of G.W. Monkey...

Actually you are, the executive is granted the powers of the head of government AND state under the American constitution. This gives him direct authority over the people of the united states not just the executive body. Which is why in most other countries they divide the head of state and government, and the party picks the head of government (The Prime Minister) and the head of government is picked by a popular vote (The President)

In that regard, the use of the electoral college, especially with a single member plurality as an electoral system within the states is in fact undemocratic. If it makes you feel any better, Canada is worse, we haven't even evolved past a simple Parliamentary system

If you want a good reason not to vote for Bush here's my list
1. Diminished the trustworthiness of the US in foreign politics
2. Depreciated US currency
2.1. Appears to be trying to turn a large open import economy into a large open export economy, and sadly thinks that it will work. I hate to break it to you, but you can't compete with China, India and the Asian Tigers for exports, well unless the plan is to get enough unemployed people that you do away with minimum wage and everyone starts working for a dollar a day
2.2. A Tax cut for mainly the wealthy
3. Iraq, lies and the almost 600 American Bodybags it has produced
3.1. Cutting vetrans pensions
4. The 6 billion dollar oil contract that was given to Halliburton at a closed meeting instead of being put up for the lowest bidder like all government contracts are
5. Patriot Act I
5.1. Patriot Act II which was passed by clandestinely sneaking it into another piece of legislation so fewer people would notice, yes, that's right, the Patriot Act no longer expires next year
6. Proposing a constitutional ammendment, which would expand government involvement in an area it should not be in in the first place
7. Kennith Lay, large supporter of the Bush Presidency in 2000, who destroyed several million pensioners and got away with a several million dollars after the collapse of Enron, alive and free
8. Attempting time after time to stack the US Supreme Court with Religious Right Wing psychos
9. Attempting to revise media ownership laws (which are so relaxed it isn't even funny) that would allow 55% of ownership of all domestic media by one company
10. Has raised 250 million dollars from corporate america for his relection campaign, more than the combined total of Bush Sr, Clinton and Regan's campaigns.


I could probably think of more but this is all that comes to mind at present time

As much as it will make me seem like an extremist, yes, and in all honesty I don't even advocate the death penalty for murderers
He ruined the lives of millions of people who had their entire life savings in Enron, not only that, he got incredibly wealthy in the process. Its moments like that I think the people who all lost their lives savings should each contribute a dollar and hire a professional.

I wish I could find you the article I had a few months back about where these upper class criminals are ending up, sadly I don't have the link

Needless to say its a homeless person's wet dream, free food, one room per occupant and your own bathroom, tennis, rowing, day passes, and more.

There's a big difference between going to a maximum security prison, working on a chain gang and what these guys recieve. Sure, its hell for them, the champaign they serve must be at ROOM TEMPERATURE (oh no!) and I'm sure the Caviar is from North American (more oh no!) but to the average person it looks like a country club, and for your average homeless person who may or may not have been put on the street due to the Enron scheme, its paradise.

I believe in rehabilitation for the people that actually aren't educated and their crimes are a result of their lack of education, I honestly can't say that for white collar crimes. These are usually wealthy, educated, individuals commiting these crimes for no other reason than the fact that they have found a loophole in the system, and at worst they'll have to give back half the money they've stolen. For White collar crimes the punative system of justice should be applied since really no amount of education is going to turn an educated mind and make them realize that what they have done is wrong. Reason regrettably turns all scenarios into instances of calculated risk. So when you are faced with that what else can you do?

Frankly i think what Mr Lay did was not only unethical and despicable i think it was high treason for him to pull it during a time of economic instability. Im actually with Devlar this time off with his head i says.

anyone explain me why there wass war between those 2 ?