K guys, we have here a remake of q2dm8 ready for your viewing pleasure.  Please take a look at the map and tell me what you think and give any suggestions you might have.    I've had a few people tell me about lighting... some say it's too bright and some too dark.   If I can get a general idea of what most people say about lighting I'll kinda know what to do about it.

Note: the bsp in the pk3 does not have the _b03 at the end of it.  Also, bots do work.

ll_q2dm8_b03.pk3


John "Llurk" Zagorski
Team Reaction

Team RxN as in, Qpong, Gloom.. etc..

On the map:
If anything, it's too bright in some spots... but overall, i think it's fine In playtesting, with myself and bots, I found that doom owns this map, but ya gotta be careful running around, those little 'lips' around all the platforms, will send you into the air a little bit, making you unable to turn until you land i ran off a few platforms a few times before i got it down

Ofcourse, it would be awesome if the crates could just crush you, like they did in Quake 2 :]

Well, what some of you fail to realize (I guess) is that you can't attach other entities to entities.

ie, you can't have a func_door on a func_train.   It just doesn't work that way.  However, some newer engines are allowing this.  Doom3 w/ the scripting and HL2 w/ entity hierarchy.

Anyway, yeah... I can't make it hurt.

Lighting, however, I can definitely change... I made it as bright as it is now because people said (when looking at sshots) that it was way too dark.  We'll see.

oh yeah... and Team Reaction


John "Llurk" Zagorski
Team Reaction

As I said before in irc, the structure of the map is perfect - a true homage to Quake 2! However, omitting the yellowish lighting takes away from the classical feeling of the map. Even the visual effect when you go on top of the map is right on, minus the HOM effect

As far as balance goes, here are my predictions on a scale of 1-5 (5 meaning the class has all of its strengths available and the construct of the map is favorable, and 1 meaning the opposite - lack of good items and a struggle with the map layout)

Earth - 5
Doom - 3
Slipgate - 5
Strogg - 4
Arena - 4

I gave Earth a 5 due to the fact taht armor shards are EVERYWHERE! He had no problems getting up to speed in terms of armor. Also there's bullets everywhere, so he'll always be packing heat.

Slipgate gets a 5 simple because of all the grenade ammo in the level. Once he gets his hands on a RL, odds are he'll never run out of ammo. He'll be well off.

I gave Strogg and Arena a 4 simply because of all the tight corners in the level, which can hinder their movement going from one room to another  as well as when they dogfight. There'll be a learning curve to the level, but once they get over that they should fare as well as slippy and earth.

I give Doom a 3 because there is nothing in the level to push him past 100 health - no +5 health pickups or a megahealth. The armor shards don't do much for him. Doom is almost garunteed to lose the map since the megahealth is to him like red armor is for the rest of the classes. Without it, he'll always go down in one or two good shots.

With a little polishing, your map is done! It'd be cool to see an easter egg or two of [RxN] or something in the BFG area or on the roof. I like the trim with the blue light - it adds a nice touch to the map.

Of course, this is all in my opinion, so here's your pinch of salt

Edit: I wouldn't mind if the boxes crushed outright, like in Q2.

Ok well i got some suggestions for you

1. those "flashing" lights you're using looks weird, they are not blending correctly could be because youre using ambient lights.I whould remove that "flashing" effect on those lights.

2. i found an area that is not visible to the play but it is fully textured.. add caulk on those areas cuz it is kinda pointless to let the engine draw areas that u can't see and it also affects your compile times.

3. Maybe youre reapeting the textures too often..maybe add some more?

Screenshots: http://reboot.wireheadstudios.net/llurk/llurk.htm

And a reminder: don't forget those clip brushes...

Anyways this is a good map and im sure it will kick ass once it's finished! great work llurk!

It was always a red armor as far as I remember...

We don't have a powershield, nor do we have adrenaline (although the berserk/medkit is more or less the same thing).

I'd say just leave it as a RA.

I guess we'll just have to see how it turns out in the forum games, then! :]

Ok, here's an updated beta pk3...

This one has no ambient light values.  In general, the only thing changed was the lighting.

Again, bots work... and _b04 is not part of the actual .bsp name.

ll_q2dm8_b04.pk3

Have at it!   Oh yeah... and tell me if you like the ledge/light things around the hole looking to the lowest sections w/ the conveyor... I'll probably be changing them all to look like that.