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« on: 2004-04-22, 06:58 »

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/...17/141224.shtml

Syria, eh?  Now who can say, "The bird was right."  Come on, say it for me! Slipgate - Smirk

Also, does anyone else remember seeing this in the mainstream press?  I find it rather convenient that this little report has been overlooked by just about everyone.  Media bias?  NAWWW.
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« Reply #1 on: 2004-04-22, 09:50 »

I'll say nothing...

I still don't support Bush and never will
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-04-23, 02:58 »

My dad says fox reported it but i didnt catch it. Ive also heard it was mentioned in the Sanfrancisco chronicle one of the most left leaning newspapers in the united states.
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-05-20, 05:47 »

Phoenix, I thought better of you than to visit tripe like NewsMax. You know, the reason the mainstream media (or even FOX, for that matter) doesn't post this is the same reason they won't publish Znet. It's simply just not credible.

Then again, we DID see examples of Sarin Gas, though it's most likely used by Al-Qaeda agents instead of Iraqi/Syrian officials.
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« Reply #4 on: 2004-05-20, 05:55 »

Ive since seen this information on various other media outlets. Its pretty well established now.
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« Reply #5 on: 2004-05-20, 06:35 »

Assamite:  you're saying the mainstream media is credible?  Slipgate - Confused
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« Reply #6 on: 2004-05-20, 06:55 »

It's definitely better than half the crap you see on the internet.

Still, the only way to find out the truth is to go and experience it for yourself. Since I really can't be bothered to do that, I'll just make whatever I can of what the mainstream media (plus several alternative sources) throw at me. I'm skeptical of approximately 100% of what they say. Hell, I stopped watching most of TV news a long time ago.

Overall, if most sane human beings accept a news outlet as credible, it probably is. Otherwise, it's most likely tripe.
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-05-20, 07:25 »

I would prefer to know what the insane ones think, considering the entire world has gone mad.
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« Reply #8 on: 2004-05-20, 07:30 »

Mark twain once said "you can spend your life believing  or doubting everything but both ways save you from thinking". The main stream media should be consider but perhaps considered with a grain of salt. The vast  majority of people i know who claim to completely mistrust the  news media are usually people who are just too lazy to keep up with the news.
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« Reply #9 on: 2004-05-20, 08:53 »

Indeed.  That's why I research many sources instead of relying on only one or two whenever I have time.
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« Reply #10 on: 2004-05-20, 15:31 »

I just ran across this:

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2004/may...ay/05_19_2.html

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« Reply #11 on: 2004-05-20, 18:51 »

all of that is still no reason tho drop bombs on an iraqis wedding party and say later that it where rebels .

( iraqis party != rebelion camp )
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« Reply #12 on: 2004-05-21, 05:44 »

yes, but a wedding camp where 30 people firing off AK rounds into the sky while a helicopter flies by, could easily be construed as one...

Gameskeeper: the way people are over there is MUCH different. Guns over there are like party poppers... everyone has one, and they fire em off for almost any (good or bad) reason.
That makes it hard to tell who the 'good guys' and the 'bad guys' are...

Tell me... you're flying a chopper looking for insurgents, and all of the sudden, as you fly over an area, there's 50 people below you, firing Guns straight up in your general area...

what are you going to do??
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« Reply #13 on: 2004-05-21, 07:41 »

Besides, just because it's a wedding doesn't mean that the people are all friendly and innocent.  They could have seen the chopper and started firing at it deliberately as well.

And let's stay on topic please, this thread is about looking for WMD's in Iraq, not bombing wedding parties.  If people want a gripe session start a new thread.
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« Reply #14 on: 2004-05-21, 15:22 »

**!On Topic Please!**
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« Reply #15 on: 2004-05-26, 04:38 »

This page says there aren't any WMDs. Slipgate - Wink
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« Reply #16 on: 2004-05-26, 05:09 »

and its a dead link. Forgive me if i dont bow down and convert now.
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« Reply #17 on: 2004-05-26, 10:13 »

Woodsman:  Read the page a bit more carefully.  Slipgate - Wink
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« Reply #18 on: 2004-05-26, 10:36 »

well in my defense do you read every one of those you see?
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« Reply #19 on: 2004-06-03, 04:13 »

This may be of some interest to those who have short memories.

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."  - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."  - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998   

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983."  - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998 

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction program."  - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."  - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." >- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."  - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002 

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."  - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."  - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction  ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real "  - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Now remember what these same people are saying now.  I suppose the difference between a truth and a lie depends on who is in office and whether they support them.  Remember all this when you go to the polls, and just how trustworthy politicians truly are.
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