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They're gouging you Phoenix, are you gonna let that slide? Let's go stick some pigs(just kidding). Another problem is the Arabs lighting up the stuff right in the ground. As we all know pure capitalism uncontrolled and fueled by pure greed quickly becomes medieval fuedalism with the richest tycoon controlling the lesser ones all the way down to us peasants. We may have some freedom and swords may not swing, but capitalism is a fragile balance. Once unbalanced it reverts to tribal economics and survival of the most ruthless. I think the present administration is the dumbest and most brutal ever to reach the white house. But, we're all gonna die of smog poisoning anyway. I must say that post was a little warm though. Are you a Limey Phoenix? Don't hate America, just hate Dubya.
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Oh how stupid. Its very simple why gas prices are getting higher theres more demand for it. The same way stupid little kids buy more pokemon cards and the comic shop tyrants jack up the price because they know the kids will buy them anyway. People drive big vehicles that suck up alot of gas and the oil companys raise the price acordingly. Its called supply and demand and it comes at a cost. Theres no mystery no intrigue no conspiracy by "Dubya". Its not terrorism its not the war in iraq. Its just like every stupid fad item that comes around (like those tiny remote control cars that were popular for awhile) if they can jack up the price they will.
GET A JOB YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.
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Oh how stupid. Its very simple why gas prices are getting higher theres more demand for it. The same way stupid little kids buy more pokemon cards and the comic shop tyrants jack up the price because they know the kids will buy them anyway. People drive big vehicles that suck up alot of gas and the oil companys raise the price acordingly. Its called supply and demand and it comes at a cost. Theres no mystery no intrigue no conspiracy by "Dubya". Its not terrorism its not the war in iraq. Its just like every stupid fad item that comes around (like those tiny remote control cars that were popular for awhile) if they can jack up the price they will. It's a combination of all of the above, actually, although some factor in more than others. GET A JOB YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. My ex-girlfriend has a job. My parents both have jobs. My sister has a job. My friends have jobs. They all have to re-adjust their budgets to factor in the sudden increase in the price of gasoline. "Get a job" is not the solution. |
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if that was directed at you phoenix i would have said so.
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bah didnt yall watch the today show about a week ago?? There's a conversion kit out there that lets your car run on Vegtable oil, at around 50MPG.. Im suprised that it's not like, a huge topic yet... at this rate, vegtable oil will be cheaper then gas in a few months  plus, Vegtable oil is more environtemtnaylly friendly... and a renewanble resource!! (Plant more canola) and i know i cant spell today |
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Woodsman: Ok, sometimes it's just hard to tell in your rants who the subject is. 
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the reason supply cant keep up with demand is because the oil companies would rather max out their 40 year old factories then build a new one that meets EPA standards AND would produce more gas quicker.. why? simple, because as long as they arent forced to build a better plant that would lower gas prices, they can keep raking in the dough and jacking the prices up.
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the reason supply cant keep up with demand is because the oil companies would rather max out their 40 year old factories then build a new one that meets EPA standards AND would produce more gas quicker.. why? simple, because as long as they arent forced to build a better plant that would lower gas prices, they can keep raking in the dough and jacking the prices up. This wouldn't solve anything, either. Sure, they could all build more efficient refineries that could produce more of the product over a shorter period of time. And while they spend that money, they can raise the price of gasoline even more to compensate for the cost of the new refineries. That is exactly what would happen. |
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it would go up for a short time, for sure, but it wouldnt go up for ever and ever... honestly we need some government regulation brought to it, imo.. but thats nevre gonna happen.
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Stop Press:
a gas station (we say petrol station) is now charging ?1.10 a Lt. over here!
this is the only one I know of so far.
It really is time to get that bike.
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What is needed is an alternative to fossil fuels, and the problem is the oil companies have too much power. They have an oligopoly on the entire world's energy resources, and private development into alternatives is almost always squashed, either directly due to their massive cash reserves or indirectly through lobbying pressure on governments (please, no Bush or Cheney comments this is a world-wide problem!). The most common gripe I hear about alternative technologies is they are either too expensive or too inefficient. The reason for all of that is lack of serious development funding.
The way I see it, if this spiral of war, production cuts, and the like continues in the middle east the cost of fuel is just going to continue to spiral out of control. The world's delicate economic balance is going to be upset, and somebody's going to end up paying for it. Take a major country, throw it into economic chaos and hard times, and watch what happens afterward. War often follows hard times. Anyone remember Germany's situation prior to WWI and WWII?
I heard all the ranting about "no war for oil" prior to the Iraq war. So far no oil seems to be coming out of Iraq. However, if production were to stop in the middle east due to a radical coup or continued terrorist activities, wars, or the like I don't see it being too long before ALL the world goes to war for oil. Stop the flow of fuel and NATIONS die. You cannot ship food to grocery stores, power heating and cooling for homes, power water distribution plants, or anything else. There is not a nation on this earth that does not need it right now, and unless someone develops an alternative that is cheap, clean, and readily available everywhere pretty quick this delicate balance runs closer and closer to being more upset. When people begin to starve and freeze to death or die of thirst then leaders act quickly to appease them, lest it be they who pay for it in the form of violent revolution. What is right will go out the window in favor of what is needed.
Terrorism has made the old game of paying off leaders in oil-rich Arab nations in order to maintain the flow of fuel a very risky venture, and one that cannot be maintained for much longer. I don't wish to be a doom-and-gloom prophet, but I can see how the worst-case scenario could easily play out if this keeps going the way it appears to be headed.
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you mean mad max style , war over every last can of fuel ?
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greasecar == diesel. 99% of cars on the road == gasoline
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The most common gripe I hear about alternative technologies is they are either too expensive or too inefficient. The reason for all of that is lack of serious development funding.
What I hear is that the Oil producers often buy these new inventions because they would ruin profit if they were to be released on the world market. |
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I hope the "Limey" comment wasn't too offensive. It's just that I was a wee bit offended because of being born and raised on this side of the ocean not to mention having voted for the other guy in the first place. Maybe I' could be a wee bit O' me Scotch Temper Firin' up, but the truth is laddies I say Dubeeya has betrayed almost every quality that made America to begin with and his supporters are just as guilty. I notice every year the SUVs get bigger, uglier, and thirstier than any before. My cousin drives a Ford Bronco2 which is small by today's SUV standards and has a "puny" V6 engine. These new sluggernauts should have over a thousand horsepower but I'm sure they don't.
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Maybe I should release the secret of commercial fusion to the world...
nah...
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