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Well this is my first post on thes forums. This whole "Controversy Corner" rocks!! Well here goes: http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/There you can get the trailer of the next Michael Moore film about the "grand" US of A 1) Have you guys heard of it? 2) How do you feel about the movie (info hopefully soon)? 3) Will you see it? 4) How do you feel about the articals i have read that the government is trying to STOP this movie from reaching the public? 5) Michael Moore: Idiot, Hero, Free Man, or Bluboring Imbicile (Final questions at the bottom as well) INFO ABOUT THE MOVIE:http://www.michaelmoore.com/index_real.phpThere is the Michael moore site. This movie apparently attacks our governments decsions aroudn the time 9/11 took place. Mostly as a result of terrorism Moore focuses on the governments poor handling of the situation. One explicit example is the Patriot Act. (The following I believe is true from books but am not exactly certain) Apparently Congress reviewed the Patriot act on day 1 and planned to decide its future (pass or decline) on day 2. Overnight from day 1 to day 2 the WHOLE DOCUMENT was changed. Appaerntly incoherrent in many parts. Congress did not reivew the document on day 2 but passed it anyway. So another question: 6) What do you know about the Patriot Act and its mysterious benefits? http://www.michaelmoore.com/takeaction/iss.../patriotact.phpPS: I dont want this to turn into an anti-bush topic. My regards about his presidency (notice its not capitalized) were set aside when I created this topic.Hope this goes well and make a good conversation. By the way: 7) You guys from America/Europe??? Yall speak fluent and advanced english. |
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Haven't seen it, probably wont. I'm not much for politics either way 7) You guys from America/Europe??? Yall speak fluent and advanced english. You obviously haven't been looking at gameskeeper's posts.  I'm from the USA, but we have a LOT of euros here. |
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That was FAST!! Still updateing my post.
Yes this is political but i'm not to much of a political guy. I just posted this cause I like movies and controversial movies are just a lot more fun!
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Have you guys heard of it? Yes.How do you feel about the movie (info hopefully soon)? Quite annoyed, actually.Will you see it? No.How do you feel about the articals i have read that the government is trying to STOP this movie from reaching the public? I've not read them, so it is impossible to form an opinion at this time.Michael Moore: Idiot, Hero, Free Man, or Bluboring Imbicile Option 1 and 4 seem to fit best.What do you know about the Patriot Act and its mysterious benefits? I know it allows the FBI and CIA to wiretap and monitor suspected terrorists, among other things. I also know it's a point of great contention in regards to civil liberties. Some people see it as a huge danger to civil liberties, others as a useful tool to protect the people from harm. I think a bit of both is true.You guys from America/Europe??? I am currently living in the USA.Yall speak fluent and advanced english. Thank you kindly.  |
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I'll be watching the movie, but solely because I think Moore's a liberal tool.
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You guys from America/Europe??? Yall speak fluent and advanced english
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Nice nice. I agree that Moore is a liberal tool. But if omsething good comes out of his work I may come around. I will now condone Bush bashing with these qoutes: THERE ARE NO MISSPELLS -- Credit where it is Due-- -- Presidential (Mis)Speak "The Very Curious Language of George W. Bush" -- www.bushcalendar.com-- I'm reading these qoutes from the calander and posting the good ones! " If you don't have any ambitions, the minimum wage job isn''t going to get you to where you want to get." August 29, 2002 (Little Rock, Arkansas) "We should not be satisfied with the current numbers of minorities on American's college campuses." January 15, 2003 (speaking about affirmative action) " We look forward to today that no child in this country is ever left behind." January 8, 2003 " I've not made up our mind about military action." March 6, 2003 "Jackson from Texas, you got anything of Texas questions?" (NO misspell here) Nov. 7, 2002 "If you're interested in being a part of feeding those who hunger, this is a great place to come to." Dec. 19, 2002 (Wash. DC food bank) " There is some statistics out today that showed our economy continues to grow." July 31, 2002 " I understand politics and I know there's gonna be a lot of verbage." Jan. 2, 2003 "Do you have blacks, too?" Comment made to Brazilian Pres. Fernando Henrique Cardoso. "I'm beginning to travel around the country to important states -- all states are important, of course..." Jan 22, 2001 -- Burn! There are so many more, i lost some really funny ones. Thanks to the bushcalendar creators! |
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1) Yes.
2) Not sure yet, I don't want to formulate an opinion until I've seen it.
3) Yes, I will most likely view it at some time.
4) It wouldn't surprise me.
5) Michael Moore: Not sure, he has some points, though I don't entirely agree with the way he demonstrates them.
6) Enough to know that I don't like it, it reeks of KGB/Gestapo-esque midnight raids and only adds to the modern day Witch-hunt for accused terrorists. I guess though, every generation has it's paranoia endusers, whether it be witches, communists, terrorists, etc, it's all the same type deal.
As an interesting, yet off topic, side note about his Bowling for Columbine movie, my little brother goes to school through an online program funded by the state of Ohio and through his physical education class he can actually obtain and use ammunition paid for by the school, the offer rifle and pistol ammunition without any prior weapons safety/handling training or anything. I find this disturbing, to say the least.
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Yes I've heard about the movie, the only thing I've heard about it though is that it bashes Bush, so so far I like it alot without even seeing it...  I plan to see it sometime, maybe I can even convince our teachers to show it at school. I am SO looking forward to the day the headlines say: "New Bush space program: "Landing on the sun"" Especially if Bush decides to tag along... For the whole "Stop the movie" thing I wouldn't have suspected anything else, from what i hear Buena Vista (don't check the spelling on that) is refusing to release it. But I'm confident that you'll be able to get it if you want it  |
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Perhaps someone might explain this to me... and I know I'm going out on a limb with my wings clipped on this one... but what is it with all the Bush-bashing? Besides the "conventional wisdom" (questionable at best) we hear from the Democrats, etc, I'd like to know why it is that nothing this man does is ever acceptable to some people. Now don't assume for a minute I'm defending Bush, but I would like to know this. Besides the war, the Patriot Act, his inability to speak flawlessly in public, what policies has he enacted that invite such fierce opposition? Also, in hindsight, if any OTHER leader were in office at the time, would you expect them to have reacted differently? If so, how? If we're going to bash the decisions of this man, let's hear the alternatives or what SHOULD have been done instead, since hindsight is so clear and easy to apply.
Is this dislike rooted in any sort of logic that goes past "I hate the man" or "I hate the man's political party"? Frankly I find this all a very disturbing trend, where decisions made as far as who will command the most powerful military in the world, and lead the most powerful nation in the world, are reduced to petty party politics and blind dislike and hatred. If emotions are going to rule the election in November then all I can say is don't piss and moan if what you get instead fails to meet your expectations since clearly "anything is better than Bush" seems to be the order of the day. I had hoped that people would have grown past hearkening to every Mark Anthony that comes along and instead would have learned to use their wits by now.
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Its very simple phoenix is cultural warfare. George W Bush is from texas his western whitehouse is a ranch and hes speaks with a twang. Nothing could possibly be more offensive to a efette pretentious manhattan or sanfransisco liberal. If it were as simple as his inabiliy to speak perfectly in public then the democrats wouldnt have ever run grey davis for govenor of california who frankly cant get through a single sentence without making an ass of himself.
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If all the Bush-bashing you see stems from personal hatred (as opposed to policy-based hatred), you have been seeing the world through filtered lenses. Of course, the warmongering and the Patriot Act would be the main cause of hatred for him. That much is already obvious. Other than the war... I'd say it's because of his crusader mentality, which extends to many domestic policies. Examples include his handling of stem-cell research, and packing the federal courts with extreme right-wingers. Simply put, he is an ideologue. Him and his administration put together. That, and he completely botched the handling of the economy, leaving millions jobless and blah blah blah... There is a plethora of reasons to especially hate Bush. Not just say, "he's an unelected monkey." Oh, and I know Dennis Kucinich (Here I go again... ), for one, would not have done any warmongering on Iraq in the first place, nor would he respond so belligerently (and unfocused) to terrorist attacks. But that's only because he's the polar opposite of Bush. As for anyone else, notably Kerry, I'd say they wouldn't take as belligerent tactics as Bush. P.S. - I do, indeed, want to see Farenheit 911, and Disney canning it makes me want to see it even more. Michael Moore can be pretty witty when he's not being completely blunt. See any of his movies, for example, Roger and Me. |
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I don't know if i'm logged on. I assume i am. *BogoJoker OK, Great posts so far. Rebuttle for Phoenix: 1) I think this reason is all too obvious. Bush is not a POPULAR president because he didn't win the POPULAR VOTE. Hahaha, haha, That was just to funny to pass up. But take that into account. 2) USA went from the largest surplus in history to the largest debt in history and I'm not seeing any improvement of our economy. 3) I was gonna mention stem cell research. He limited its potentiel. It offers the possibility of incrediable UNKNOWN things!!! Spooky. 4) What exactly is a "compassionate conservative?" That question has been asked so many times that It made me HATE this so called "compassionate conservative" who we have to ask what he is!! I'm not a political guy but I have heard this question countless times. 5) What else... You notice that Bush has taken so much vacation time?? I rember reading that he has taken an unPRECIDENTED (almost un-presidented, teeheeehee I'm getting good at these) amount of time. Espcially being that we are in a crisis. Personally I thought we were in the middle of a WAR and my country's leader was taking a month off in Camp David. Which leads me into another thing: Anyone watch the TV show 24?? David Palmer the president in that. Great show!!! |
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Its easy to declare a budjet surplus when you instate the biggest tax increase in american history its not so easy to maintain one when you lower taxes. This "budget surplus" the democrats keep talking about should never have been declared to begin with since the goverment was still trillions of dollars in debt. The "surplus" was only the result of over taxing not good budgeting.
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True true. Why does America countinue ignoreing its National Debt??? I would rather we pay-off our debt than spend COUNTLESS billions on the war in Iraq. Overtaxing might help us out in the long run. Not exactly taxing, but one good idea to overcharge for a benefit: I agree with the idea to standardize gas prices at $3.00 a gallon and use the extra money to fund research programs to ween the world (well, in this case, America) off gas. Hybrid cars, VEGTABLE OIL CARS, maybe even alcohol powered!!! They are all possible and America is still ignoring this and making very small efforts in these fields. Think how quickly money could be raised if all of America was paying 3 bucks for their gas. Maybe i'm too young and naive but I feel this is a freaking brillent idea. Pheonix: Keep commenting. Reading your yellow text is always fun and riviting. I admire your grammer and points. I admire just about everyone's grammer on these forums!  |
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 You admire the grammar? Looks like you've been hanging out with illiterates on fora too long ;] I prefer proper grammar and spelling (like in grammar, and Phoenix)! (sorry, just couldn't resist - too tempting - no way to control correction-urges ) |
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Your politics sound so complicated! (I'm living in England by the way) It must be because theres so many people get to vote on the same thing. Over here we only get white middle class males to vote for, all from the same area of the country. we have no equivilent to texas etc.  |
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