Once again thanks Tabun for the textures, and reboot  for the great mapping tips, and the generations team for a great mod.  May download at:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nova/2704/.../newlevels.html

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Edit by Con: changed giant screenshot to a URL

Cool map, but I think the powerups are over-stocked in the Q3Arena version. Do we really need megahealth, invulnerability, quad, regeneration, invisibility and bersker, the former 3 all in the same room with yellow armor and rocket launcher (and grappling hook)?

Otherwise it's a well constructed map. It does look just like a blend of Doom 1, D3, and Q3 all in one. The lava pump in the center is a bit unsettling as a big change from the original, but it looks cool. Perhaps since you allready have multiple ways to reach the scafolding at the top, you could remove the staircase that's blocking the addition of the window into the tech room? Just an idea.

That's my ONLY problem with the map as is.  The invul needs to go, as does the quad (IMO). The invis is a great powerup for this map, and the regen works too.

I actually LIKE the inclusion of the hook. It's just...different.

OK- Quad gone, replaced by Berserk  (in secret area), invulnerability gone, replaced by tele//LSOV, previous berserk gone (moved to where quad is)

http://www.flu.stonks.com/genhangar_beta.zip

Remember you need the original map to play this beta, this is just the .bsp and .aas files in the pk3, just unzip to your baseq3 or gen folder and do /map genhangar_beta in console

To Flu's defense, that was his POINT to create a recreation with a Doom 3 vibe. Which incidentally means "DARK".

I have no problem seeing things on this map. Stop pretending Q3 is D3, Tek, and up your brightness a bit.

I still can't get into the Quad-now-Berserk room, but that's not a big deal for me. I suck with Berserk, anyway.

The only thing I might ask for (and I never noticed it in the first place) is the removal of the hook. If we're playing DM and want the grapple, we can enable them through DMFLAGS.

If I have the balls to  release a map, I also have them to take criticism no matter how harsh it is. I KNOW I'm a lousy brusher,  so I really couldn't argue with that, no one ever taught me and I HATE to RTFM.

I am sorry I don't understand what you mean tho, there is only one RA and all the windows are clipped, just double checked to see if I had a senior citizen moment, but no, they are clipped.

Uhmmmm,  quite frankly it didnt occurred to me to noclip on the outside or any other area,  but I will check it out, we don't need any extra shaders messisng  performance worser. What possessed you to no-clip outside the map? Just curious, I usually make maps for players that stay inside the map :=]  I really did not see any HOM anywhere in the map, there may be cause I caulk a lot too, and I may not have seen it.

And the secret, You must be a young one, probably did not play the original? In the original, as  you went through the room leading to the exit, the platform lowered, revealing a secret room, then as you went back the "tech" room you could hear a lift being lowered, that you had to run to catch and it would take you up to yet another secret. I made it exactly the same, going through the exit room will lower the lift, going into the "tech" room the door next to the invis opens for like 5 seconds, you gotta haul arse to the tele behind the lift and catch the door open.

Only way to learn is by getting your input guys, so if the level needs to be blasted, let it rip, I'll learn for the next..

EDIT :  As part of Quality Improvement and remedial action plan, Removed grapple, clipped outside area lower so that no one should get to the fence  up top, removed the offending shadered faces seen from outside the level  and caulked them  so that daedalus doesn't kill me slowly, and brighten up the area TEK HEAD mentioned so he don't have to use LoJack to fry my arse. :-)

Yes they are, thank you. An oversight resulting of a copy-paste item job, good eye! Fixed

It's nice to see someone so receptive to criticism, but I think some people here are exagerating.

Tek- Who the hell said you couldn't combine themes for a map? Doom 1 and Doom 3 are essentially 2 different versions of the same game. Trying to meld their style is perfectly logical. Quake 3 is the game this mod if made for, so adapting some of it's style also seems logical. The satellite dish contraption does look Strogg-ish taken out of context, but where it is seen from the window, it still looks like Mars. Plus, you need to fix your gamma settings, cause I can see fine throughout the map.

Daedalus- Who the hell asked you to view the level in no-clip? That's like sneaking back stage at a theater performance and complaining that the sets weren't painted on the back. Besides, even from spectator mode, most FPS maps have some noticeable flaws. They are designed for the people actualling PLAYING IN THEM.

I still think the only major problem is the powerup distrobution. I haven't played the new 'post final' beta, but I will try it and and get back to you.


EDIT: ok I played the beta now for my comments:

Con's right, in a map like this 1 or 2 powerups is more than enough. However, what's even more important is placement. In general, you should only have 1 or 2 major items in any one area. Right now, in your map you have the RL, the chaingun,  yellow armor, and 3 powerups in the same area. This is bad, because there is no reason to go to any room other than the RL area. Even the placement of mega armor and rocket launcher together in the original map was questionable.

So first off, remove everything from the lava-pump area but the rocket launcher and perhaps one other item, which you must reach via the catwalk. Next we have to talk about the secret areas in the slime room. I think first opening the secret room, by walking near the exit, then opening the secret elevator by walking near the slime room entrance, is more than enough trouble for a powerup, especially given that  the main secret wall closes backup, instead of staying open for the rest of the match like in original Doom. Therefore I think the secret powerup should be placed in front of the exit of the secret passageway, instead of using the teleporter to get to it. The problem with the teleporter is it takes you back to the RL room, which again puts too many items in the same spot.

Next we have the tech room. The plasma gun was a good choice because in the original map, there was nothing there. However, I'm not sure we need another powerup in there too. At most a low level powerup like LSOV/PT or berserk. A better thing to put in the tech room would probably be extra health or ammo.

Exit area- the chaingun in here is fine. The chainsaw is a waste. However, I'm not sure you need a teleporter in the final room. You could put an auxilary item like armor or a low level powerup and it would still be worthwhile without making it too easy to get around the map. If you keep the teleporter perhaps make it one way or something.

About ammo and health: I can't keep track of all the ammo boxes, health packs, vials,  and armor shards, but you should keep an eye on those as well. They're placement is important and should not be used simply as filler. When the player gets low on health or ammo, he should have to think about specific points in the map to go to refill, not just rely on the fact that there's enough packs in the level that if he just runs down a random hallway he'll probably pass some on the way. For ammo, in a map like this, there should probably only be about 1-2 extra boxes for each weapon, and they should be spaced out on the map so they're not just sitting right next to the weapon they belong to. For example, on Q3DM1 the shotgun ammo is by the plasma gun, and the plasma ammo is near the rocket launcher. It''s not like Unreal Tournament where every weapon has 2 extra boxes right next to it. Also, for any of these things, space them out in the room so you have to go out of your way to get them.

My suggested layout-
courtyard/lavapump: rocket launcher over pool, yellow armor on cat walk
secret area 1: shotgun, ammo, small health
secret area 2: invisibilty or soulsphere
tech room: plasma gun, big health and ammo in various corners (probably SG shels)
exit area: chaingun, small health, possibly rocket box
exit switch: berserk pack, no teleporter
starter room: shotgun, chaingun mags
window/pedestal room: red armor, health, plasma or chaingun ammo.
passage from courtyard:  plasma and/or shotgun ammo, possibly small health

You could also try sneaking in some non-doom weapons for other classes. For example, you could put grenade ammo in the secret loft by the slime room so earth and strogg and throw handgrenades (grenade launcher is bad idea though since it would just make another rocket launcher for doom.) For the chaingun pickup, it could be a railgun/nailgun or a lightning/shaft depending on which you prefer,

Even though the loft in the courtyard may not be used for anything, you should probably take out the ladder so you have to either go all the way across the catwalk from the lava pump, or  rocket/ramp jump up the side.

Even shards and small health affect gameplay in Gen. Shards = 10 armor each for Earth, and Doom's health does not count down. Enough of either means that there's a tank walking around, of one class or another.

Gnam went into much more detail than I did, and he's pretty much spot-on.