Beats the poop out of my remix (which I yet again, never finished.... all hail my uber dedication)

That thing is LOADED with powerups....
You can get all 5 of them, RA, bfg and an MH if you time them right.
Crazy map!


Im eager to see how it plays

EDIT: Oh, in the beta thread you stated the Quad and Regen would not respawn together.
In my testing, each time I picked up both powerups, they respawned at roughly the same time.
And I _strongly_ suggest you increase BFG respawn time to at least a couple of minutes. Instant bfg respawn is a map breaker, unless you want everyone to whore it.
I'd love to see this in the normal server rotation at the next map pack... but I dont think it will be unless there are a few tweaks.

Just add a 'wait' keypair to the BFG entity with the number of seconds (might be milliseconds) you want it to respawn in. Can even set it to -1 if you dont want it to respawn again
I think it'd be quite necassary, players won't bother with the other weapons except perhaps the railgun or slippy rocks if the BFG is too accessible IMO.
But see what people think first

I love the map though, I tried 'teching' my version up too much and it just became unrecognisable.

I do suggest spreading the ammo around the level a tad more though. Having it all clustered near the PG area may lead to less flow. I'd love to see how it plays as is though, may lead to some very original game dynamics.

Daedalus is your version out somewhere?  a beta?  I made this one cause I thought there was no other version of a wolf map anywhere.

It is true that a lot of ammo is concentrated around the plasma gun (just like in the original) but remember there are also three teleports with three different destinations very near. Like I said, I am willing to change whatever, but play testing it with friends, seems different than what one might expect. You can't hog the BFG for long cause is way out there and no health or armor next to it, and having 5 different classes means some of them will not have a BFG, plus there is plenty of room to take cover.

Which brings me to an interesting question- Everyone salivates over the BFG, yet I can't find good use to it, except dying and giving it up to someone else. It takes a tremendous amount of time to fire and to reach targets, even in the original Doom deathmatches I never used it much, except to shoot it when I knew I was gonna die and try to get a few cheap frags. Is there a trick to this weapon I dunno about?

BUAAHAHAHAHA  I ALSO suck with  the railgun, ESPECIALLY at long distances, but the reason I put  it where it is is because it translates to a chaingun in DOOM, and the REAL map has a chaingun there. I think there has to be a railgun somewhere in that map tho, it just asks for it :-),  I dunno, we play tested it in pkarena and railgun was not a factor at all, we don't have a BFG, I substituted for a gravity well which was not a big issue either. I'd love to be able to play with a real bunch of gen players in a server and see what issues come up with real people.

I totally agree, a lightning gun would make a much better replacement.

That teleporter pad up near the quad, it doesnt seem to work. That by design?
It could be used as a teleporter to a room off somewhere (yes, deviating slightly from the original, but we gotta bring it up to speed a little ) that could contain a railgun or somesuch.

EDIT: And no, my version is on the web anywhere... Just my computer. =/
Its a bit pants anyway. As pho said, it deviates from the original too much. Lemme find the thread I posted about it in.

Assamite is right, white teles are landing pads as far as I remember.
If I were to put a lightning gun where the rail is, what would I put where the lightning gun is right now? remember the tele from there goes to the midle of the level. Red armour maybe? Leave the lightning gun and have two?  How bout the railgun, no rail at all? or maybe in the "secret" room where the invis is?  Remove the regen altogether?

Can someone post a SHORT  demo with 3 or 4 bots and show me how to own this level with a railgun or a BFG?, I just don't get it, I playtest with 3 or 4 nightmare bots and I get my arse kicked pretty badly from the start that I can't own anything, and they kill me with the idiotic machingun from across the level, not the BFG or railgun :-)

Too many powerups. FAR too many powerups.

It'd make a fun single-player map though, if we ever get Resurgence working.

Also, it's a bit too dark...

I am speechless, Tabun..... You don't count, you and tekhead seem to have X-Ray  and magnified vision, you can't really expect the average player to even come close to that, for example, I tried to duplicate it and not only did I get killed a lot and lost BIG,  I got in like 5 out of 20 rail shots, and three of them were lucky :-)

That's what I needed!  To get a good look at what that weap[on can do. Makou, you are more human :-) and still do MUCH better than I can. I could only see the rail one cause the other one was downloading at .4 kb/sec and I already got a good idea of what you guys mean.

Here's what I'm gonna do, leave the quad and the regen but not close together and increase the spawn time. Change the railgun for a lightning gun. Change the previous lightning gun for the regen. Move the BFG to the secret location and eliminate the extra BFG ammo (although by Makou's demo I didnt see a big issue with the BFG), remove the haste (since I shortened the map), remove the invisibility  powerup (will put the BFG there) and make the main area brighter, then I'll post another beta.

One more question, what the heck is this powerup I saw yesterday soul vengeance something? I think I killed myself with it ?  :-)  Can I put one where the BFG is now?  How do you add that thing to the map?

Thanks!

Here's yet another beta with the above mentioned changes. I ain't no expert but it seems to me I would wanna be an earth player in this level. I just can't seem to make it fair for all classes at once, but at least it wont be a railfest.

EDIT:  10/09/04 Changed beta to beta5- see post of 10/08 below for changes

http://www.flu.stonks.com/gengrosse_beta5.zip

I get missing textures all over the place when loading it in vq3...

That aside, the celing lights are neat. The layout is... well, can't really say much about it - a big flat room with a few columns and a few side areas.

The huge ammo stockpile makes me wonder if that'll be a balance issue, since anyone that wanders through that room will be tanked u pon pretty much every weapon.

What's with the grappling hook? =/

I think Tabun's right - any long-range weapon will destroy the opposistion on this map. Railgun, Chaingun, Lightning Gun, Gatling Gun, etc etc are extremely powerful in this sort of enviroment.

I think the shootable columns should crush whoever is too slow underneath them, but that's my opinion.

I'm just not fond of this map. It could only fit in Generations because of its theme, no more.