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« on: 2004-11-20, 00:56 »

I'm not saying the report below is true; of course, I have no way of knowing. I wish I could say I can not believe it.

Comments from a very well-informed source inside the White House.

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Homosexuality is to be made illegal [a new Federal law suggested by Delay and firmly endorsed by Rove] a form of Creationism to be taught in all schools, a modified draft, [mostly of technicians], military action against Iran and Syria, a strong message sent to both North Korea, the PRC and Russia to keep out of American business or suffer "serious consequences," utter destruction of Iraqi cities that harbor any terrorists, regardless of the civilian casualties ['Nits make lice," as Rove told me when I mentioned the possibility of large casualties, to include women and children] US to get political control over the Ukraine and other Russian or former Russian areas, the securing of oil areas in Iran and the subsequent cutting off of exports to China [whom Rove loathes] and Japan with all oil being shipped either to the US or England. France, Germany and several other countries to be "starved of oil" for their lack of support for Bush, a board to be set up to control "vile and degrading pornography" in the films coming out of Hollywood and "encouragement" to produce more Mel Gibson-style religious films, the prohibition of any American citizen to make any investments or bank deposits outside the United States and the sequestering of any such funds in countries under treaty with us, resurrection of the old sedition laws to prevent any more criticism of government or what is amounting to the state religion, the overturn of Rove v. Wade and a host of environmental acts that Bush's business friends claim are restricting their businesses, a strong encouragement to permit open and free immigration by Mexicans [already 13 million here as of two weeks ago] so they can supply American business cheap labor and replace some of the grunt jobs that even India won't perform, laws to permit off shoring American jobs by business friends to improve their profit margins, investigation of legal possibilities to permit Bush to run again [i.e., lifting the two-term mandate] and the calculated marginalization of the Democrat party and a planned strategy to oust Democrats as state governors.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum....cgi?read=58914
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« Reply #1 on: 2004-11-20, 07:30 »

Topic split from "Freedoms Eroded" thread.
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-11-20, 17:01 »

Ive said it before and ill say it again. You really shouldnt be crapping your pants over bullshit conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. Christ its even called rumor mill news. Its really hard to take arguments seriously when they come from radical bullshit news sources.  Please no more links to cut rate news sources as the basis for opinions. You might as well be linking to the national enquirer.
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-11-20, 22:33 »

Compared to the hodgepodge of a "movement" the Left has, the machine of the Right might as well BE a conspiracy. Not "Illuminated Elder Templar Masons of the Rosy Cross of Zion" level, but just much more well organized. This machine has been building up since Goldwater's defeat, and now the fruits have been reaped. Of course, gays, atheists, and "the other" will end up getting the shaft.
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« Reply #4 on: 2004-11-20, 23:15 »

Quote from: Woodsman
Ive said it before and ill say it again. You really shouldnt be crapping your pants over bullshit conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. Christ its even called rumor mill news. Its really hard to take arguments seriously when they come from radical bullshit news sources.  Please no more links to cut rate news sources as the basis for opinions. You might as well be linking to the national enquirer.
With the overbearing possibility of this being true(This IS George W. Bush after all), I'd say I have the right to be even a TINY bit concerned about this.
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« Reply #5 on: 2004-11-21, 00:03 »

Here, decipher this conspiracy theory:

http://www.timecube.com

It's about as credible as something coming from an uncredited rumor site.
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« Reply #6 on: 2004-11-21, 00:48 »

I think the old "omg, bush is reinstating the draft!" scare was more credible than this, and it still never really got off the ground. It seems that would make chances of the topic "conspiracy" becoming a reality even closer to nil.
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-11-21, 05:52 »

Contender #1:  "The other side is engaged in a conspiracy!"
Contender #2:  "No we're not.  YOUR side is engaged in a conspiracy!"
Contender #1:  "No, YOU are!"
Contender #2:  "No, YOU are!"

Etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.  Been there, done that.  Saw the sequel.  I remember in the 1990's when people on the right said Clinton was going to institute martial law by executive order, take everyone's guns and haul them off to concentration camps.  Now the left is engaging in similar talk.  Same old stuff, just from the other side.  Why?  Because their opponents are in power, and they're scared.  *yawn*  Backbones are in short supply these days it seems.  So are brains.  There are still people who believe the Pentagon was hit by a US launched guided missile, and that the airplanes flown into the Twin Towers were remote-controlled and operated by Zionist agents intending on leading the US military into wars in the middle east to rid Israel of its Arab neighbors, so the Jews can take over the world, etc.  When the authors of such conspiracy talk are confronted about what happened to the passengers of the aircraft (especially flight 77 since it was "obviously" a missile that hit the Pentagon) the reply is always "That's right, Bush has a lot of explaining to do."  It couldn't possibly be that the burden of proof lies on them to cough up evidence to support their pet theory, and nevermind the fact that Osama has since come forward in that well-known tape and outright admitted he planned and executed the September 11th attack.  There are people who are still convinced this "Zionist plot" is the absolute truth, no matter how shaky the evidence may be.

Another good one is the Warren commission report on the JFK assassination.  We've all heard the stories about the grassy knoll, the "magic bullet" etc...  Well, some ballistics and forensic experts recreated the JFK shooting, down to the exact lot number of ammunition used.  They even had anatomically complete torso models - bones, flesh, etc, all synthetic but ballistically as close as you can get without using a cadavre, and placed in EXACTLY the same positions and relative distances present at the time of the original shooting.  Guess what?  One shot from the rifle penetrated exactly as the "magic bullet" did, the only exception is it did not penetrate into the leg of the fellow in front of JFK because it struck two ribs in his torso, whereas Oswald's bullet only struck one.  The resultant difference in energy from striking an extra rib while traveling sideways through the body accounts for this bullet in the test lacking enough energy to penetrate into the simulated leg.  Had it only struck one rib it would have lodged in the simulated leg.  Otherwise the wound dynamics were 100% IDENTICAL to what happened in the assassination.  Yet... people still believe it was impossible for Oswald to have been the only shooter, and that there were extra people involved in the shooting on that grassy knoll, etc.  It just turns out that reality is full of surprises, and sometimes what seems the most unlikely case is the correct one.  Occam's razor is not foolproof you know.  This is the problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to take on a life of their own, and continue on even after there's evidence to cast at LEAST a reasonable doubt on them.  Is it 100% conclusive?  No, but it certainly looks like there's a simple and logical explanation.  What the experiment does prove is that Oswald didn't need any help.

This is why I take a dim view of conspiracy theories and outrageous accusations.  If there's little or no supporting evidence, I largely ignore them no matter who they're directed at, or view them with a large amount of skepticism until supporting evidence - CREDIBLE supporting evidence - is brought forth.  Do some homework on the "Big Lie" theory and Goebbles sometime.  The severity of an accusation or your personal dislike for an individual should not be the basis for drawing conclusions in regards to such allegations.  Look for the evidence and draw your conclusions based on that.   Saying "Well, IT'S BUSH!!" as though everyone is supposed to automatically "understand" and agree with your sentiment isn't good enough for me, nor is it good enough for a lot of other people.  I want hard facts, and lots of them, not opinion-based rhetoric.

Question what you're told, especially when it sounds agreeable with your own opinions.  Otherwise you're just being led like sheep.
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« Reply #8 on: 2004-12-17, 21:05 »

If this standard of reporting can be considered the truth then the world is run by a huge network of Jewish Zionist Muslim atheist right-wing left-wing globalizationist eco-nut fascist communist capitalist banking corporations and agents should be coming to my house right now for exposing it.

I haven't even seen the agents, let alone the conspiracy.
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