The invul may be good for nostalgia, but it kinda sucks for gameplay. Powerups like the quad are very powerfull, but you still have a chance to beat the other guy if you're on the receiving end; if you make a well placed shot ro two, or cache the guy off gaurd. But the invul has no weakness, there's no way you can win, and everyone has no choice but to run away. It just slows down the game because everytime someone gets the invul, everyone spends the next 30 seconds running away and hiding.

What I propose is a cvar to switch invulnerability with the envronment suit. It may seem like a weak powerup, but Q3's environment suit was pretty good; almost like being invinsible to rockets. I would assume in Gen it would also make you invincible to napalm fire, plus, no more easy splash kills with the mortar. If it still seemed too weak, you could add temporary damage absorbtion, like armor, except it doesn't have a number value that gets diminished. I don't even care if there's new models and effects for it (although it would be nostalgic to see a white labcoat-looking enviro suit for Doom, and new designs for other classes) I just want an alternative to that annoying invul powerup!

Anyone agree?

Well, the thing about the prox mine was it became the anti-shield weapon partly cause it wasn't good for anything else besides spaming your flag base. It would be hard to choose a weapon like that in Gen cause most weapons are pretty usefull on their own. Heh heh, I guess you could have the invul be vulnerable to fist/blaster/knife/axe, but you would still have no chance unless you had berserk. IMO the battle suit is more practical.

If by chance you guys decide to implement this, it'd be nice if (time allowing) it made it in for the bug patch, just cause I really hate the invul on Deeper Blue, which is on the top of central's map rotation.  ~  Just, ya know, maybe if there's nothing left to do, time's left over, and Phoenix gets bored, it'd be cool.  

Let's not forget that even while players hold the invuln powerup, they are STILL pushed and thrown bu large rocket splashes and heavy shotgun blasts - something people can use during the thirty seconds of the powerup's duration.

Right, let's penalize the players who are accurate or who don't have a rocket launcher or flamethrower because they spawned right in front of the guy and reward those who need lessons in aiming.  I think I'd rather try making the invulnerability work like the battle suit - no environmental damage, no splash damage, 50% direct hit damage across the board.  We'll see.

Sounds like Communism to me!

I still don't think this is a good idea... Overpowered as it may be, it only lasts 30 seconds...

I understand, but I have to consider all the players who might potentially benefit from a powerup.  I don't think it's a good idea to nerf an item just because of one or two players who already do exceedingly well.  That penalizes everyone else, but how does it really penalize the already "unkillable" players?

In a big FFA just about anyone can end up grabbing that invuln.  Throw Kajet on the server and I guarantee powerups will be scarce.  He has a knack for showing up at just the right time to deny you an item.