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« on: 2004-12-19, 21:50 »

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The Police force in Finland have made raids on a popular BitTorrent file download site, arresting staff and seizing equipment including servers. Arrests included not only the four people who work on the site, but also some 30 volunteers who help administer and run the site. The site, which apparently had some 10,000 users, contained some 6000 torrents, which Police say amounted to millions of dollars worth of films, videos, music and games. If convicted, the site operators face jail of up to two years.
I'm not surprised, considering all the recent shit that's been going on with piracy.

If you don't believe me, check out the site. Their reason for shutting down on the site is BS, but it shows that the torrents are gone.

SOURCE: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/14/fi...ittorrent_site/

EDIT: Stupid title. It's supposed to be "SuprNova shutdown"
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« Reply #1 on: 2004-12-19, 23:44 »

This is more of the same thing they did with Napster.  They know they can't nail the individual users so they go after the server admins and make a huge press release out of it as a scare tactic to spook other server admins into not hosting torrents, regardless of whether they are legal or not.  Now I don't know the facts behind this whole situation with SuprNova, but watching the RIAA file lawsuit after lawsuit is enough to make me sick of the whole affair.  It's heavy handed thug bully tactics, big corporation vs individual citizen, and the corporations win every time because they can afford the lawyers.  I take an extremely dim view of this sort of thing.  Perhaps if the MPAA and the RIAA, etc, didn't charge so freaking much money for a piece of plastic people would actually feel motivated to purchase their products.  Seriously.  Make better music, and charge less for it and people will more likely buy it.  Same with movies.  You attract far more bees with honey than with vinegar.  I'm waiting for them to scrap the fair usage laws too.
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-12-19, 23:56 »

Yup. If they had the power to do so, they'd get the whole internet shut down, just to 'protect' their 'assets'.
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-12-20, 00:01 »

I wonder if the thought has ever crossed these idiots' minds that if you jail all your customers you won't have anyone left to sell to.
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« Reply #4 on: 2004-12-20, 02:32 »

I take a dim view of anything those fat corporate f***s do. Capitalism is killing music faster than copyright theft ever could. File sharing cannot be stopped, and no amount of Gestapo tactics by the RIAA, MPAA, BPI or any other of those knobs is going to make a blind bit of difference.
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« Reply #5 on: 2004-12-20, 04:14 »

... spork...

Damn, I really wish I would have purchased a t-shirt or something from them sooner to show that I supported them.  Slipgate - Sad
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« Reply #6 on: 2004-12-20, 05:07 »

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Capitalism is killing music faster than copyright theft ever could.
Capitalism is killing everything though
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-12-20, 05:32 »

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Capitalism is killing everything though
Damn straight.

I feel like ending the human race. Any thoughts Malchia?
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« Reply #8 on: 2004-12-20, 06:50 »

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Damn straight.

I feel like ending the human race. Any thoughts Malchia?
Please, don't get him started, lol.
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« Reply #9 on: 2004-12-20, 18:36 »

Might not be a bad idea though. "Stop the world, I want to get off ..."

 Slipgate - Off Topic Why are humans a race when everything else is a species?
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« Reply #10 on: 2004-12-20, 19:09 »

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Yup. If they had the power to do so, they'd get the whole internet shut down, just to 'protect' their 'assets'.
They'd also probably charge you for every individual time you listen to music too. Greedy bastards.

And stop blaming capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system that provides more freedom to both individual consumers AND companies than any other But just like any system, it can be abused, and the RIAA is abusing it.. If this were a communist society, you wouldn't even be able to choose what music you listened to, let alone how you get it. You'd get the official government musicians, and NOTHING else. Even listening to other music would be illegal. Stop looking for a paradisical promised land when none exists.
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« Reply #11 on: 2004-12-20, 20:57 »

You can't even get half the internet in China, and they jail you "just because" in North Korea.  Look, the problem is universal, no matter how you look at it.  It's organizations with the power and wealth cracking down on the little guy because they can.  I have nothing against people being well to do, I wish everyone were, but corporations have the wonderful side-effect of not giving a damn about anything except their profit margins, governments only care about their power, whereas a rich individual at least has the option to try to be a philanthropist.
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« Reply #12 on: 2004-12-21, 10:42 »

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They'd also probably charge you for every individual time you listen to music too. Greedy bastards.

And stop blaming capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system that provides more freedom to both individual consumers AND companies than any other But just like any system, it can be abused, and the RIAA is abusing it.. If this were a communist society, you wouldn't even be able to choose what music you listened to, let alone how you get it. You'd get the official government musicians, and NOTHING else. Even listening to other music would be illegal. Stop looking for a paradisical promised land when none exists.
Sure it would work....if human beings were honest and hard working. Oh wait! Not in America...
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« Reply #13 on: 2004-12-21, 21:44 »

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You can't even get half the internet in China, and they jail you "just because" in North Korea.  Look, the problem is universal, no matter how you look at it.  It's organizations with the power and wealth cracking down on the little guy because they can.  I have nothing against people being well to do, I wish everyone were, but corporations have the wonderful side-effect of not giving a damn about anything except their profit margins, governments only care about their power, whereas a rich individual at least has the option to try to be a philanthropist.
A corporation CANNOT be philanthropist because its shareholders' attitude is "show me the money". A serious drop in profits makes everyone unhappy, especially the ex-CEO once the board of directors fires him.

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Sure it would work....if human beings were honest and hard working. Oh wait! Not in America...
It wouldn't work ANYWHERE. Universal philanthropy runs counter to basic human nature. People are inherently selfish, and part of education is to try to keep a lid on human nature,which it does with only marginal success.
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« Reply #14 on: 2004-12-21, 22:47 »

Aye, even when people believe in some all-knowing, all-powerful entity that has the ability to squish them like an ant they still go off and do bad things to each other, with full knowledge of the consequences (according to their beliefs).  Even God got so fed up with it he flooded the Earth, if you believe in that sort of thing.

Human nature has not changed for thousands of years, and any time someone comes up with some new idea of how to make a utopian society I cringe.  The only possibility for a utopia involves humanity not being at the helm.  Until such a thing may come about, all you can do is try to be a good person, work to make your community/town/nation a good place as well, and do well unto others with the hope they're willing to do the same in kind.  You also have to be willing to kick their asses back in line if they choose to behave badly, otherwise the inmates end up running the asylum.
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« Reply #15 on: 2004-12-22, 02:27 »

A utopia could be achieved with small amounts of like-minded people. Many INDIVIDUALS go against human nature, that animalistic nature. It may not even be human nature, as everyone thinks, as much as it is a shared cultural trait amongst the world's populaces. Within the correct setting, desired mannerisms can flourish. Besides, I thought the world was flooded largely due to the Nephilim as opposed to humanity?
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« Reply #16 on: 2004-12-22, 03:30 »

I think greed and the lust for power is a rather universal problem among cultures.  Even if you form a nice and nifty little community with like-minded people, forming a sort of mini-utopia, you have the problem of new people coming in from the outside, and also being born from within, who will refuse to adhere to the design set forth in such a society, and that doesn't even begin to account for foreign invaders, etc.  Historically it's never lasted.  I don't see any reason why that would change any time soon, especially with so much difference of opinion between nations competing for power on how best to run the world.

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It wouldn't work ANYWHERE. Universal philanthropy runs counter to basic human nature. People are inherently selfish, and part of education is to try to keep a lid on human nature,which it does with only marginal success.

Oh, I'm sorry, am I getting my socialism in your capitalism?

Let me get this straight. People AREN'T abusing social security and welfare?
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« Reply #18 on: 2004-12-29, 21:13 »

Of course people are abusing welfare! Do you think there won't be people who won't risk anything or do anything for free money? People commit MURDER for money all the tine. And if you get rid of money, another unit of value will be devised, and people will steal that too. As long as there are limited resources, there will be value, and thus people trying to take valuable things, sometimes by lethal force.
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« Reply #19 on: 2004-12-30, 04:52 »

If you remove money, people will only steal what they need more directly.  Money is just potential.  The goods that it can buy are all that really matter.  Money's just easier to tote around.
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