I was just wondering...why do u hate the GREATEST CLASS OF THEM ALL, The Gladiators?

They have: -the greatest RL of all classes;
                    -the greatest BFG (BFG10K);
                    -the greatest berserk weapon;

Want more?

First of all, although the RL is nice to play with, it is by no means the best. It's a rather odd design and nothing beats the mortar in coolness, obviously.

The BFG is only cool for one reason; we changed it. If you liked the Q3 BFG, you're a nutcase. (Also, the BFG10k is the Quake 2 version (which indeed rocks :])

Next up: Arena has no berserk weapon. He doesn't. He has a gauntlet, sure enough, which is a sort of a captain crunch boxgift version of a chainsaw, but he has no berserk powerup. 'nuff said.

Yes, I want more:

- I want to throw grenades myself, prime them and use them for cool tricks.
- I want to discharge into bodies of water.
- I want to punch someone into a pile of gibs with my bare hands.
- I want to make a trickjump with a railgun-class weapon.
- I want to set people on fire.
- I want to do insane things with movementcontrol in the air.
- I want to hit someone with a rebounding bullet.
- I want to do over 170 points of damage with a single shotgun blast.
- I want to launch someone up in the air with a rocket, and pin them to the ceiling with lightning.
- I want a style of play that I haven't seen exclusively in Q3A-FFA for the last 4 years.
- I want a class that isn't mainly played by people too afraid to try something new (something they have to get used to, that takes a bit of learning). That isn't mainly played by people afraid of losing even when they haven't played the mod for more than a week or so.

Beat that.

But to set the record straight: I laugh at the whole smiley-with-sign-saying-something>rest-thing, therefore I like making parodies. Don't get the joke? Fine, but don't try to defend the most uninspiring of Gen's classes in such a feeble way :]

Finally a fair judgement of the class. It's a "all-weapon balanced" class, and i like it! An Arena with a RL is enough to make a guy jump, giving him time enough to kill the flying guy. This is, when used properly. Like DooM once a guy is cornered, it's easy to kill him with the gauntlet. Like Strogg, the railgun has a gigantic range and it's, in most of the cases, lethal, ending up with gibbing the hitted player. Like Slipgater, he has a good and fast shtogun, wich can kill a guy in 2 shots when close, although it isn't as good as DooM's SSG or Strogg's SSG, but it's faster. And, like Eart and Strogg, it has a decent starting weapon : a machinegun that, when accurate, you can easily kill a guy.

Thank you Golden Flying Bird for your oppinion.

That deathmatch theory is exactly what happens, but it works two ways. Arena has only useful weapons, and the way each weapon outshines the weaker weapons of other classes balances out the fact that most of the weapons are likewise underpowered compared to the stronger weapons of said classes. It all works out quite acceptably, and it means it is easier to play with, since (just like Pho said) there is more consistency in the arsenal.

When I would say I 'hate' Arena, which I don't (so stop using that inappropriate word here ), I would only refer to exactly that which both Pho and myself have referred to in this thread. Arena as the figurehead of a conservative and fearful approach to playing Generations, hiding behind 'what you know' and 'what you can do' so you don't have to make an effort or take a chance.
If that's not what you're doing, and you've actually played /class random often enough to know what you're talking about, then don't feel like you're under attack yourself.

Just don't try to argue that if you go /class arena exclusively, you'll get as much out of Gen as everyone else, because you're missing out on a lot of things. Besides, it's always a little hurtful if you've made a modification of a game, and the greatest thing is the one that you've never touched.  

Here is the situation for me: [/u]

Earth class is a generally a short to medium range type class. Their weapons are not suited for long ranges. Even the Sniper, for there is a falling projectile so it is good for long ranges if you protean the skill.

I tend not to use this class often because the tactics in order to really use this class to its full potential, are to awkward for my tastes. I tend to use this class, when my aim seems good enough because this class requires some aiming/predicting/leading skills. (which these skills are most effective with this class in my opinion)

Doom Class is the ?anybody can pick it up?, and play it class. It requires no special skill to use, just the standard techniques. So this class is easy to play, but the weapons are kind of weak. Like the SSG is powerful, but inaccurate. The plasma projectiles are slow, and can be easily dodged, as the rockets can. To sum it up, Doom class is a series of high and low characteristics. It will own in one perspective, and get owned in another perspective.

I like this class when my focus is impaired for some reason, because this is a easy class to use.

Slipgate class is a simple class. You get 5 types of weapons: The Axe, Shotguns, Nail guns, Explosion type weapons, and your unique weapon the Thunderbolt. It also combines some elements from other classes as well. Like the nail guns act as a machine gun for players who?s aim is sub-par, so they can spam the nails. The shotguns, are actually really powerful, if your aim is up to par. The explosion type weapons are simplified and are easy to use. (easier then Doom?s rocket launcher)

I use this class a lot, since you can combine a lot of tactics into one. For instance I combine my plasma rifle tactics with my machine-gunning tactics when using the nail guns. I work with this class when I feel like developing more efficient tactics.

Strogg class offers a wide variety of weapons with unique characteristics bound to each one. You got your spam weapons, (BFG, Grenades) long range/accurate weapons, (railgun), explosion weapons (grenades, rocket launcher) et cetra, blah blah, yadda yadda, gobble gobble, blab blab, oink oink. *me tries to think of another annoying, onomanapiea* In addition, you can use a wide variety of tactics, bound to its weapon to achieve success.

I use this class a lot as well. Since I can apply all of my tactics to this class.

Arena class is an all-round class. It holds no real advantages or disadvantages. It will fit into almost every level with equal balance. (like Pho mentioned)

I like to use this class when I don?t want to deal with the ups and downs of other classes. Also this class is the class most at home to me. I do tend to use this class the most often.

I disagree. The MP-40, Sniper and mortar (a very fast and thus far-reaching projectile weapon) are all long-distance capable. The only weak point Earth has is ammo-shortage, especially if the player has some trouble aiming, or feels like using the dualgats. I play a stronger long-distance game with Earth than I do with Doom, Arena, Strogg and Slipgate, in the average situation.


Agreed for the most part, except I'd add that Doom is a high-damage, high refire spammachine, without many weaknesses at this point. Gen's netcode also makes him twice as hard to hit with more precision demanding weaponry (ie. rails), because he tends to not-be-where-it-looks-like-he-is more often. I'd also argue that it takes some learning to use it efficiently in close quarters, which it is strongest in, while it also takes some learning to get close when you're picked on from a distance.. :]


Simple is the last word I'd use when describing Slipgate. The combination of air-control and a strong dependance on the available weapons and ammo make it one of the more (if not the most) complex and difficult classes to work with. Nailguns are more justly compared to Arena and Strogg plasma-class weapons, which operate quite differently from their machineguns. I do agree that the shotgun (at least the double barreled version) can pack a decent punch if you can use it at speed. Using the Rocketlauncher to the fullest (which means tossing people around effectively and in the directions you want) is not as simple as it may seem, especially when you consider that the code involved differs from the default (Arena) projectile code, meaning it takes a while to get used to. In any case: not simple. ;]


And in conclusion, since I agree entirely on your description of the Arena class: this again establishes that the latter is the most uninspiring of the available classes :]
I most definitely am not insulted when someone insists on playing Arena Gladiator class exclusively, just when they consider it the greatest class of all time... :]

Washu:
I was just responding to your post Washu, I have said enough about some things in the past ;]

Pho:
I also have trouble making those Slippy rockets connect still, and I've had time enough to adjust. I'm not complaining, but it is fun to note. Doing air-rockets with slipgate is quite a feat, and all the more rewarding if you pull them off :]


Q3A Vanilla Netcode is not something to write home about, so that makes sense to me. The way one appears to others is totally related to their personal settings and connection, making lag and bumpy connections (people using Kazaa or BTT perhaps) a very noticeable problem.

There are a few regulars on the Euro server that are twice as hard to hit with precision weaponry, because half of the time they seem to be not there. They teleport from position A -> position C, and your shot aimed at B in between misses unexplainably. The entire environment is observed at a steady 125 fps (or whatever your com_maxfps is), while half of the players look like they  move about at half that, creating a very disturbing circus in which direction prediction is quite tough at times.

Only when a connection to a server is really smooth (say, mine or Alu's), when the users disable anything that's on the upload or affects the bandwidth in any serious way, when there are no other odd packetdrops or ping spikes, only then does it look like a player moves normally (ie. like one would locally).

My guess is that Doom's speed makes the 'gap' between position A and Position B (as described earlier) bigger. Because of the speed he'll be further from where you thought he was if you predicted wrongly, but even if you predict correctly, timing can cause you to miss more easily than anything moving at slower speeds.

This is my explanation of what I see, and it might just be that there's no 'gap' to speak of, but it's just my prediction that's affected by choppy play, I'm not ruling that out. I just wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what is happening.

It is said that other popular mods have adjusted the netcode, but I know little to none about that, nor have I played them anytime recently. I'd like to do some comparing or asking around to see if there's any truth in this, and maybe test Kingu's appearance in those mods, since he's one of the unfortunates with a very unstable connection..

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What net connection you have? I have a 512kbps DSL, but i'm  changing it to a 1mbps DSL.