So the defense lawyers try to shift the blame off the defendant (no surprise), and the parents deny responsibility in raising a murderous thug and instead shift the blame off their kid (no surprise again).  Sorry, but Devin Moore and only Devin Moore made the decision to pull the trigger, regardless of what games he played.  He committed the crime, he's an adult, he should have known better, and he's the one that should pay for it.  Period.  I hope they throw the book at him during sentencing.  If his parents want someone else to blame in addition to him for his behavior, they should look in the mirror and examine how they raised him.

To date, I'm not aware of a single rocket, machinegun, BFG, or chainsaw-related death that can be linked to Generations Arena - and I'm certifiable.  That should tell you something.  :rules:

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To be honest I am pretty neutral on this subject. I understand you can?t totally "blame the game" so to speak but I do see the other side as well.

Here's the situation. You have a kid, the kid plays video games, and the kid plays violent video games. Even if the kid knows it isn't real, and knows it is immoral, whether he/she knows it or not, their mind gets desensitized by blood gore and killing, and on a sub-conscience level registers as a normal function. Hey got a problem, kill somebody.

Well that was not really a problem in the past. All these violent video games of the past, and some of the present, are set in fantasy worlds, far futures and the such. My point being is Rockstar has a bad habit, of drawing the most negative parts of society, and making an ultra-realistic video gaming experience emulating it the most realistic ways possible. Like for instance GTA: San Andreas. You are a thug, which just did 20 years, you are in a gang, your gang is a bunch of murders, you live in the hood, crack house welfare house, and the cops are your enemy, so kill as many of them as possible.

Fundamentals of GTA: Steal cars, rob people, screw prostitutes to gain over 100 health and then shoot them for your money back, kill cops, perform random acts of violence, and perform drive by shootings.
New "features of GTA: San Andreas: Rob stores, force people to join your gang or shoot them in the back of the head, pimp prostitutes, steal television sets from pawn shops, spray paint graffiti and other acts of vandalization, drive by shootings on a bicycle, sell drugs, play a pornographic sex mini-game that of course Rockstar claims was not their fault.

I mean look at it, everything about this game is negative. I'm not saying that blowing up your favorite WHS team member in Generations is positive, but this game is negative to the major problems and evils in society. They slap an M for Mature sticker on it and act like everything is happy hunky dory. But deep inside while they roll in piles of cash, they know that the majority of gamers that play their game are under 17 years old. Kids are the basis of their business, they know it. Now Rockstar has a new game coming out called "Bullies" What the story in this game is that you are a kid that gets picked on at school, A KID!!!!! You get ultra pissed off, and you have to plan a rampage where you bring a gun to school at start an all out massacre. Like Columbine and Red Lake.  You get to shoot the security guard, teachers you hate and kids. That is another major problem in the United States, and now Rockstar wants to promote this? I hope they get their asses sued.
Games like this should not be available to minors. ESRB should step it up and rate these kinds of games AO. AO is Adult games for those who don't know what it is. And to top it off, games rated AO should be forbidden for minors even if their parents buy it, and anyone providing these games to minors should suffer the same fate as some one, say buys a minor alcohol, or tobacco products. Rockstar is evil; I have lost all respect for them.


Exactly what GTA promotes.
Games may not make this guy perfrom this act of violence, but games do influence people, just like anything else. I guess what it all boils down to is maturity level and common sense. This guy doesn't have it. He should go to jail yes, but you should consider the facts and ingnore your zeal about the "Blame the game" cliche.

GTA does not promote anything. Porn movies do not promote 24/7 sex. The Alan partridge series does not promote being a total jackass. If one is not able to understand the difference between playing a terrorist in Counter-Strike, or being one and blowing up a bus, one is at fault. Shifting the blame to other products of a culture is not helpful or constructive. If you want to dive into the origins of our desires to play such games, do that, but don't shift the attention to effects instead of causes.
If you swing that way, try to determine other interesting aspects of the problem, like whether we should for instance take medication to suppress aggression, or vent it by other means such as gaming or sports. That sounds like a more practical and useful way to analyze and deal with things than to sue a company for meeting a market's demand.

Young kids & desensitization is a bad thing, which is exactly why there's a rating system which should prevent kids from playing. That only works when the parents take up the responsibilities  and do their 'jobs'. Stricter ratings would help, especially if they were applied in a way that enforces the premise more effectively.

I also don't think there is any 'zeal' from WHS gamers regarding the subject. The only zealous behaviour comes from the parents who seem to want to utterly destroy a company or even a whole genre of products. If one of us would claim that computer games are the key to a succesful life and must be made an obligatory part of our daily experience, I would call that an overly zealous gamer.

I'm not blaming the game at all, but I beleive they can influence people pretty well. But why make a game that is so negative? Why make a game where you can set up a school shooting. why make a game like Manhunt, where it is extremely graphic in terms of detail in murdering someone? Why is all their games this way? They are asking for it big time.

We are desended from the voilent ones. our peaceful ancestors all got wiped out by the violent ancestors. only in recent history have peaceful people been allowed to breed.

Good luck on the construction project then, but if you blame "Generations" after getting arrested I'll start summoning demons to send after you instead of stuffing them into hell like I normally do.

In more mundane news, there's an article out that shows no link between games and violence, however, don't get your hopes up yet.  Take a look at this first:

In other words, they are expecting and hoping to find a link, and they'll keep digging until they can get some "results" that support their preconception.  Not very scientific if you ask me, but then again, agenda-driven so-called "studies" rarely are.[/color]

Realize as well, that Ash's Call is not the most violent video game out there. They should have done a grand theft auto. The game that emulates things to the t in real life, and then glorifies crime, and see the results they get.

Yes that is absolutly true. These "studies" they conduct is for them to receive reconition. Not because they are good semaritians.