... ahem... *looks at Tab and his railgun totting taunt* Sooooo, Mr. Tabun, are you going to play with pistols only when at the server? :p har har har .... (ok, not funny)...

In my opinion, people get pissed off when they lose. Camper problem, don't start the water works and throw a tantrum, just show them who's boss... Spammer, blow him up, it's called competition. People use those tactics because they work. Why? People spend too much time griping and stomping at them, and not enough time thinking of a counter tactic to beat them with. If the said tactics doesn't work, then people will lay off. It's the best way of getting rid of the problem in my opinion.

I fully agree with Pho's list.

I don't agree with Washu's comment.
Trust me, when someone would be abusive, I have battered them exclusively in games, until they let up. I stopped doing that, because it's ineffective bullying that isn't enjoyable for either me or the offender - at least not for long. In this sense, it is not the best way to get rid of the problem - it is the best way to incorporate the problem as being 'part of the game', and thus raising the status of the cheat.

This game is (at least for me) not about finding a myriad of ways to deal with lamers. If I wanted to learn how to win from people who are abusing the freedom of a gaming environment, I'd go play Counter-Strike. With such a small community, and with so few playing hours a week, it is not only easily possible, but also quite important to keep things focused on enjoyment and take one's place in a mature, respectful crowd.

If I would hop on the servers and dualgat, supershotgun and BFG the shit out of some people every night, they could in theory find ways to keep me from getting weapons, or they could use some nicely coordinated teamwork to control the map, or they could imitate my playing style, or try to 'go pro' (or whatever you want to call it) - or I could just choose not to act like a jerk, in which case the problem would be solved without anyone having to go out of their way to force something out that was unnescessary from the start.

Some people only get pissed when they lose, that's their problem - me, I get sick and tired of people calling some things 'tactics' and using them as some kind of code to live by. Forgive the silly analogy, but 'being rich' is not a tactic when you're buying things in a shop, nor is shooting the salesman and making a run for it.



lol - That is exactly what I do, too :]

If someone is new and doesn't know the more honorable side of gaming, that's precisely why I posted what I did.  I also make it a point to politely ask someone to not engage in bad behavior, especially if I've never seen them on the server before.  If someone is new and is pretty much being a target to the other players, I'll go out of my way to give them some pointers, help them get their configuration straight, and answer any questions they might have.  Now if the player is new to Gen but obviously has been playing Quake for a while, I'll make sure they know we prefer friendly games, not cutthroat.  For a while we had a LOT of cutthroat players that started playing Gen, most of them came from the SomethingAwful forums.*glares at ConfusedUs and Tekhead*  Two of them got banned for it, the rest kind of drifted back to whatever else they were doing.  I was quite happy to see them go as we had just about every regular player I know complaining about the cutthroat tactics, camping, chatkilling, etc.  I'd rather play a friendly game with 2 or 3 people than a game with 6 lamers.


That's why I included #5 in the list up there.  Lameness comes in all forms.  Hell, I've been called a bot, a wallhack, "using radar" and any number of things - when I was on a dialup connection.  This happened to me in Q2 occasionally in deathmatch games.  Here's two examples.  One time occured on the map Lava Tomb after a rocket duel in the rocket launcher area which neither one of us were hitting the other, and when I ran out of rockets I retreated to the outer courtyard.  In the process of retreating, I fired the chaingun at the door expecting my opponent to chase me.  Well the idiot ran right into the hail of bullets and died a split second before I (literally) did a backflip into the lava.  He called me a f'ing cheater and left the server.  Another time was in a game of Weapons of Destruction.  Map was Slimy Place.  Now bear in mind WOD has a built-in radar, which I never use because I find it a distraction.  The individual in question had slaughtered me on the previous map (Lava Tomb yet again).  Well, no surprise since I suck on that map.  Then when we get to Slimy, I cream the guy.  Why?  I know the map very well, I play it well, and he was running completely predictable routes.  There is also no railgun, which takes the ping advantage away.  It didn't take much for me to see him round one corner, run the other way, fire a rocket and have him turn the next corner right into it.  Still, I was "using something" according to him, so he called me a cheater and left. I have never once used a cheat in an online game, and never will, so I guess it's a bit of a compliment, especially when you're on dialup at the time.  Some people just can't stand losing, or can't understand how something as simple as a map change can make a huge difference in the game's outcome.

Sometimes a player just gets a little frustrated too.  Ever have one of those games where everything just doesn't go your way?  I've had games where I spawn, round a corner, get railed.  Respawn, round a corner, get shot in the back.  Repeat about 7 times in a row where I've died before I could even get ahold of a decent weapon.  Even I'll squawk about that, not because people are necessarily doing anything wrong, but because it gets frustrating.  If someone's just having a rough time, I'll cut them some slack, but if someone's just being a whiner because suddenly they're no longer at the top, that's just whining then.[/color]

that is so wrong in so many ways

its like the little doggy that at the moment your not looking is humping your leg.
it aint killing ya , but it aint right either.