Lopson
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<span style='color:orange'>I cannot believe this. In one of the forum that I participate in, a person who shall remain unnammed posted a fanstory in which two male characters of an anime directed to children have a relationship. Worse, in the first week, it gets around 500 VIEWS! It makes me sick, oh so very sick. "Oh, let's go read a story about two male kids having a relationship"
Goddamnit. And on top of that, one of the admins, in response to an user who was against this kind of stories, had the nerves to call MOST of the anime fandom "homossexual" and "bissexual", like he knew all of the anime fandom!
I'll tell you this, the Wirehead forum is the best forum I've ever seen in my whole life, not only because of this shit, but because of degrading stuff like topics with the title "What anime character would you marry?".</span>
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]And on top of that, one of the admins, in response to an user who was against this kind of stories, had the nerves to call MOST of the anime fandom "homossexual" and "bissexual", like he knew all of the anime fandom! I've seen a few people make similar claims. To them, I say this - there's quite a few guys out there who enjoy looking at pictures of beautiful anime girls, and I'd say they're very likely to be neither of those! |
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Thomas Mink
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A true bisexual can look at pictures of beautiful girls and get the same result as looking at pictures of attractive guys. So saying that they're neither might be true.. but it also might not be. I'll step in and use myself as proof. EDIT: After re-reading.. I forgot about the 'most of the fandom' part. So ok.. most likely 'most' aren't. But some certainly can be.  |
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Phoenix
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I appreciate the praise for our forums. Usually I get criticism for being iron-fisted about content rules, but then, that's usually from people who are out to break them in the first place. 
This admin's comments that you refer to seem to fall into the realm of "ugly stereotypes" like some of the following, in no particular order of importance:
All gays are pedophiles.
All furries are bestialists.
All blacks are drug dealers or gang members.
All whites are black haters.
All hispanics are illegal aliens. (In America at least)
All Jews are rich and greedy.
All Arabs are terrorists.
The forum admin in question seems to have a very limited understanding of human interest and inclination. That should say something coming from me of all creatures. Just because someone may like to watch a specific genre of entertainment, in this case Japanese-styled animation, does not make them homosexual. I am not a huge fan of Anime, but what I have seen of it was neither homosexual, nor was sex the primary concern of the story. If it were, I would not have watched it, since it would not have been broadcast on the channel I was viewing at the time. In fact, of the Anime I have personally seen, there was no sexual content or sexually-oriented content whatsoever.
In addition, I would wonder how much knowledge this individual has in regards to the sexual orientation of the Japanese population at large considering the fact that Anime originated in Japan, and is largely produced there as well. As far as I know, the statistical levels of homosexuality among Japanese is not higher nor lower than the levels for the rest of the world. That being said, since there would admittedly be a larger percentage of Anime fans in Japan - that being the native source for the material, after all - if this admin's assertion held any weight it there would be an observable and documentablly proportionate increase in the levels of homosexuality in Japan to correspond to the increased level of Anime fandom. Since this is simply not the case, the following can be surmised:
a) The forum admin is a bigot
b) The forum admin is a lazy prat who doesn't take complaints seriously
c) The forum admin has a disinterest in the crime of pedophilia, and
d) The forum admin condones the behavior of the individual who posted the pedophilic-leaning story content
Let me tell you something I've learned about humans. Humans have all sorts of interests and inclinations, some seeming to be diametrically opposed at times. You get priests who are pedophile criminals. There are Muslims who find the concept of Jihad appaling. There are zoophiles who are devout Christians. There are cops who deal drugs. There are blacks that dress like gang thugs who wouldn't hurt a fly, and pasty-white scrawny geeks who are violent criminals. There are people who have committed brutal acts of murder who will be the first to come to someone's aid in a disaster. Some of the sickest people seem most normal outwardly, and some of the most outwardly freakish people are very innocent inwardly. For this admin to make such an assertion as he has only illustrates his own petty ignorance.
I would be concerned about sticking around a forum where content like that is permitted. If the other admins don't take action and keep pedophilic content off their boards, I guarantee you things will start going downhill. Writing a story is in no way criminal, at least, provided there is no law against such content in the place it is hosted, and in the localle from which a person is reading the content. Still, it's walking a very, very fine line with child pornography, and that's something I would advise anyone to get as far away from as possible. This kind of content attracts people looking for said content. All it takes is one idiot to post something criminal, and you get it in your browser cache from surfing across it accidentally, and you can be prosecuted for it because it's on your machine. The odds of this happening may be low, but if any of these idiots are keeping something illegal on their machines, and they get busted, guess where the authorities will start looking next? I were you I'd ask myself... are these the kind of individuals I want to be associating with online?
That's why we have very strict content rules here on this board. It's not because we want to be bastards or are overly prude, but because if you let the inmates run the asylum sooner or later someone will do something stupid or illegal. I'm afraid if left unchecked that's where this other forum you frequent will end up going.
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Kain-Xavier
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I pretty much agree with Pho's point of view towards the administrator of the board, but I do have a personal anecdote to add.
I have come to find that the people who generally enjoy yaoi (male/male) are women. This would not make them homosexual or even bisexual. It would pretty much just mean they're straight with kinky fetishes. But eh, most males I know are into yuri (female/female) and the morality of that is never disputed.
All the same, if that board generally doesn't cater to adult themes, I don't think it's wise to start now. Or at the very least, create a special section for such discussion.
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Tabun
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The nicest communities are those in which watching moves like 'brokeback mountain' doesn't make you the target of senseless accusations, which aren't --contrary to the opinion of the accuser-- of a nature that one should feel negatively about.
Yaoi is a typical example that brings up stuff like that. I don't understand the oft violent, personal 'sickness' that a lot of people feel when they hear of such stories being popular or even existing. Welcome to the 21st century. ;]
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Tabun
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Being tolerant about intolerance is kind of an odd ball in the general scope of things. I don't have any problems with a homo-hating community online. If that's where people want to meet and actively busy themselves getting worked up over it, that's fine with me. What I can't help but be intolerant about is people uttering disgust at every instance of something harmless.
Just as atheists jumping on every utterance of the word 'god' are annoying, regardless of how 'tolerant' one is, so is a response like starting a flamewar in a Yuoi thread, for instance. Maybe that's not what this is about, but starting such an inflammatory discussion anywhere outside of CC doesn't sit right with my preaching nor my practice.
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Tabun
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Okay.
I just think this is more than a neutral rant (that is a contradiction in terms, isn't it? you know what I mean, though, I'm sure), because of the last two lines of the first paragraph.
I don't watch Yaoi, but it certainly isn't because I'm disgusted by homosexuality. Two men having something as harmless as a 'relationship' (and I'll assume that we're not talking hard-core pornography here) can be shown to kids at any time, as far as I'm concerned.
That said, let me give an example of which I would accept outright disgust, as opposed to the above, at nothing more than its popularity and appearance on a kids' television network (for instance). Pornographical rape anime. It's one thing to let kids see and let them deal with reality, it is another to familiarize them with the unhindered, violent abuse of women.
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Thomas Mink
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I think the fact that it's kids in question might also have something to do with it... then again, to me, it really depends on the age of the kids. Then again, cartoons often show some sort of relationship between a boy and girl... Doug and Pattie.. Mandark's quest for Dee-Dee.. that imaginary friends cartoon where the little boy with the blue ghost falls in love with that older girl because of a misinterpretation of words... ...granted I can only think of that one where it's semi-serious for a cartoon. I'm sure it's more frequent in sitcom soap-operas or whatever they call them... actually, I thought of one because of mentioning that. The older boy from Home Improvement and his girlfriend.
So.. yea.. whatever.
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Footman
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I've changed my attitude quite a bit over time, to the point where I'm actually protective of gay rights, among other things. However, I must object to seeing my favorite childhood characters engaged in this stuff.  |
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Phoenix
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I know this is an old topic, but this is relevent to the discussion:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/27/D.../D8KDF2H00.html
Apparently there are obscenity laws against writing certain kinds of content and posting them in the internet. Whether someone agrees with those laws or not does not change the fact that someone can be indicted under them.
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Thomas Mink
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Torture and sexual abuse are different than a basic 'relationship'.
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Thomas Mink
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No.. I didn't miss what was said. I knew it was written stories.
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Kain-Xavier
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I'm not denying the credibility of the article, but I am denying the credibility of the alleged charges. Those charges were either brought up by a law specific to the state of Ohio or some wacky new obscenity law was passed under my radar. (Granted, my radar is rather faulty, but I would imagine this kind of law would spread like wild-fire through the websites I frequent.) Seriously though, 30 years in prison for snuff stories? I would like to give a huge resounding SPORK YOU aimed at the judicial branch of our government. I will write whatever the spork I want, as I have every damn right to. (...with respect to this forum of course. ) |
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Thomas Mink
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Pedophilia has been in the news a lot lately. I'm not surprised really. Taking it a step further and adding abuse and torture is just more ammo for the firing squad.. fictional stories or not.
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