Q: How many frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
A: No one knows, it's never happened!

Q: Why do the french plant trees on both sides of the street?
A: So the Germans can march in the shade!

Someone has to stand up against overbearing stupidity, so Vive la France, except without the sarcasm

Although I don't support the views that have caused that picture appear, it made my mouth go  

also we french , and dutch people where peaceloving people then and we atually didnt need an army.
hell we had 3 plains back then and those where shot donw when they where still standing on the ground
only true defence what we had where forts all around the country and since you can't move those things the germans just drove around those .

first off the french foreign legion are a bunch of asskickers but most of them arent french. thats why they call it the foreign legion. secondly its not that the french got thier asses kicked in world war 2 its that they surrendered thier country to the freaking nazis in a matter of weeks.
  The argument that war should be averted because the iraqi people have suffered enough is rather short sighted.  If saddams bath party were to continue to rull (and they would) the same ruthless opression the iraqis  suffer everyday would go on indefinately. peace activists forget that the U.S military would have to kill nearly 10 times the amount of iraqis that died in the gulf war to equal the amount of iraqis who have been starved tortured and murderd in the last 12 years alone. there has been no reason for 2 million iraqi children to have starved to death in the last decade. despite UN trade restriction saddam has had ample money to build himself sevral palaces and giant satues of himself he should be able to feed his people.
 The only reason france's opinion matters worth a damn is that the United states is humoring them. france has no real power on the world stage and nothing to offer except for wine and antisemitism.
 lets make a deal stop calling americans warmongers because were willing to do what needs to be done , and we will stop calling you fancy lads because youd rather stay out.

Erm... it didn't even ONCE occur to you that it was the UN SANCTIONS that caused the death of half a million Iraqi babies? That the UN, not Saddam, was blocking the entry of certain foods because they were said to be potential weapons? (YES, potential weapons!)

No, of course not. After all, it's Saddam's fault. It always is. But hey, even if the suffering of the people IS the responsibility of the leaders, we should be looking to the leaders at HOME for the people's lack of adequate housing, food, health care, etc., before we turn to Iraq.


You spoke of constituents?

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Q:Why are the French the best to buy weapons from?

A:They have never been fired and they only have been dropped once?

   :lol:

sometimes you get an unexpected bonus con

in sex it can be a child or an desise and with this kind of mocking you can have a debatte nothing worng with a good debate i always say.
 dont feel bad about it con instead enjoy the show

to woodsman + the rest but primarely woodsman: Yes the sanctions have been ineffective against the ruling class because they have MONEY and hence can buy what they want from smugglers

the UN-sanctions have only hurt the innocent and im not in favor of thoose either

the only effect it has had really is that the iraqies hate the US and the UN for making them suffer

its saddams fault you say? he's their glorious leader and doesnt make anything wrong, thats what their told through the propagande much like you are told that the iraqies have weapons off mass-destruction
i agree with devlar that if the us had any real proof they would have shown it by now the proof presented by collin powell wasnt convincable
granted he did an excellent rethorical presentation and that helped the fact that thoose pieces of evidence were circumstansial at best

More and more iraqies turn to religion for answers as do most people when youre suffering for no appearent reason
And we know that many of the imans hold no love for the us or a democratic society were people are secularisised (dont know if you can translate it like this but what i mean is that people care less for religion as their living standards improve and the have access to global news and more information) the imans power would decrease and as any lobby group they arent gonna sit by and watch that happen. look at how the mullas in the iranian parlament block any bill or decre that would make the country more democratic and west oriented.

the ones that bush really should try to work with on this and convince is the saudis and the rest of the arabic countries as the hate for america will only increase in the region otherwise
the US need one or more islamic allies and this should be about freeing the iraqies from saddam not about his aleged weapons of massdestruction

obviously no arabic country is willing to support the us in this not because the aprove of saddam or not but because most of them arent really democracies but ruled by a single family in some cases. the idea of a democracy isnt something that they are really fond for selfexplanatory reasons

the french surrendering in ww2? yes when most of the high command and the goverment is captured that tend to happen.
the maginot line and the french army as a whole was set on another trench war like ww1 and failed to heed the warnings in time and couldnt addapt to the new kind of warfare: blitzkreig

this was sometihng entirely new and in the early stages of the war the german army was nearly invinceble
it was fast had a lot of firepower and the greman armour was the best in the world in 1940:s and they still produce some of the best armour in the world to this day.

the greman army that the french was defeated by wanst anything like the one the US troops fought later on
by that time hitlers insanity had escalated and he made a lot of tactical errors and had killed of a lot of the high command
by 1945 not a lot off the original generals were left and none that had disagreed with him

yes parts of the foregin legion is made up by forigners but the majority is still french nowadays

Yes, saddam is a despotical tyrant and yes he should reliquish power that would be the ideal sollution.
Yes the only way to make saddam stepp down is by force

there are other mad tyrants out there that are equaly worthy of attention from the US in particular but the rest of the world aswell
http://www.winbeta.org/modules.php?name=Ne...article&sid=907

but north korea doesnt have the oil does it and that is what many belive is the US reason for doing this cheaper oil for you less for the rest of the world
granted that that is a stupid argument but so is the reasons for attacking iraq so far
yes Saddam isnt Mr Niceguy of the year but he isnt alone there are lots of rulers that should be deposed and Kim Jong Il is top of that list in my book
NK is activly making or trying to make nukes and admits to doing so + they threaten the US but why dont we see anything about North Korea? wich is a far greater threat to stability in its respective region then iraq
but south korea doesnt have nay oil so its of lesser concern atm

but we wont agree on this ever as you watch media that try to convince you that USA should invade iraq
granted im less for a war with iraq because our media isnt pushing for war
but on the other hand isnt a peacefull solution the best if one can be achived?

bush gave iraq weapons during the iran iraq war but he didnt give them any VX gas!.
  and its not the united states that is owned 30 billion in oil from saddam its the french. 30 billion they wont get if saddam is taken out .
 Hypocrites