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« Reply #20 on: 2004-06-03, 20:48 »
Geez ok here we go again... damnit this just makes me so tired and pissed off.
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« Reply #21 on: 2004-06-03, 21:55 »
Oh great, another one.

I love how no one has brought up the most pertintent fact of copyright law:

The copyright exists the moment the work is created. No "owned by X" or "you may not pass my work off as your own" statements required.

I'm going to stay out of that thread on the other board and let Lee'Mon do the talking. It's what he's best at.
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« Reply #22 on: 2004-06-03, 22:49 »
Actually... my last post on the other forum did imply that. And all I wanted to do was imply it. I didn't want to actually say it. Slipgate - Smile

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« Reply #23 on: 2004-06-03, 22:58 »
I'm feeling really lame right now.

I ported most of the models for myself and uploaded them to try to extent quakeworlds life...I'm really sorry to the whole wirehead team for not asking.

Never did I say these were my models, I always said where I ripped them from, I edited them only to make them the same size as the id ones.

Props to the modelers and skin artists from Wirehead because they're all pro.

I fail to see the reason for all the rage...you're ripping q1 q2 and doom. If you like quake1 enough to bring it to q3 why can't quake1 have the redone models?

Again I'm very sorry to the whole Wirehead team, I did not profit in any way and I only ported your models on request.

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« Reply #24 on: 2004-06-03, 23:07 »
we didnt 'rip' anything is the problem here, all of our content is completely original.
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« Reply #25 on: 2004-06-03, 23:09 »
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I fail to see the reason for all the rage...you're ripping q1 q2 and doom. If you like quake1 enough to bring it to q3 why can't quake1 have the redone models?
We're ripping nothing. We've re-created, from scratch, everything in Gen.

Nonstalgia is nice, but stealing others' work and promoting as your own (or as part of another project) is immoral, inconsiderate, and illegal.
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« Reply #26 on: 2004-06-03, 23:16 »
However, we do thank you for your apology, however hollow it may be, considering the models are still up.

I'm sure you mean well, but until the content is removed, you will not be forgiven. And if we have to get the content forcibly removed, well it won't be the first time we've shut down a site or a fledgeling criminal modeler .

Saying that you only did it by request is like telling the authorities that you only robbed the bank because little Timmy wanted lunch money.
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« Reply #27 on: 2004-06-03, 23:25 »
This is from my thread in the fuhquake.net/forum



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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:47 am    Post subject: 
may i recommend converting the 'slipgaters' md3 weapon models from http://www.planetquake.com/wirehead/generations

you seem to be able to do them very well
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:37 am    Post subject: 
oldman wrote:
may i recommend converting the 'slipgaters' md3 weapon models from http://www.planetquake.com/wirehead/generations


Not to mention the beautiful and (more)faithful health and ammo boxes


Just a small request for the head : could you also make it lie flat on the ground. The hovering is really cheesy =p

Keep it up
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: riiight.. 
The only conversion I'd like to see is a complete, fully faithful, conversion of the Ranger model from Q3
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:31 pm    Post subject: 
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:27 am    Post subject: 
I like the Generations mod...I was playing a bit of it last night. The md3s are ok, but I like neogens models better...its nice for a change though. I dont really want to port any of the weapons except the axe, super nailgun , chainsaw and maybe the doom rl.

I did a few of the bmodels already.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid1...d4/f96776f3.jpg

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« Reply #28 on: 2004-06-03, 23:43 »
Good for them. It's still not:

a) moral. You did NOT ask for permission. You barely mentioned the mod at all
b) considerate. Don't steal, it's not nice.
c) legal. Regardless of if there's a text file or a disclaimer, the copyright exists from the moment the work was created. You have broken copyright law, and as such are a target for lawsuits.

Once again, stealing our models just because others asked for them is no different than stealing a candy bar from Wal-Mart because some stranger at the door asked for it.
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« Reply #29 on: 2004-06-03, 23:45 »
I once stole 3 1p cola bottle sweets from a shop near me because i liked them. However, i fealt so bad I didn't leave the house for a week.

True story  Slipgate - Off Topic
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« Reply #30 on: 2004-06-04, 00:48 »
First of all, thanks for the apology, Creed.
Feeling lame over this is a good thing if you ask me - it's the proper feeling to accompany an act of 'ripping'. I'm sure the world will be a bit of a better place for every person to learn this small and yet apparantly difficult lesson in life.

Secondly, to get a few things in the clear:
- I noticed that you never claimed them as your in that thread, explicitly, anyway. This does not remove the fact that all the facts in my list of facts are.. well.. facts..
Anyway, in regarding to that, and as far as I'm concerned: Apology accepted.
- I am flattered (even in the face of other, some more outrageous, model thefts throughout my 'career' in this business) by the interest people take in my work. Compare it to drinking a very fine wine indeed, while a small horde of leprechauns is furiously jabbing poison-tipped knitting needles in your shins. It's hard to savour the taste, as it were.


And lastly: ConfusedUs is very much correct - and you still do not have permission to release, redistribute, edit or use the models.
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« Reply #31 on: 2004-06-04, 02:16 »
hehe I just wanted you guys who didn't get a chance to read this from my thread on the qw forum

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Posted: Today 02:31    Post subject: 
You are all taking this far too seriously. It was just a missunderstanding. Indeed, Creed should have organized the whole post better, with proper credits, but there's no reason to make a big deal out of this. You can't have control over things that are made to be modified. O'dium seems like bored enough to create huge discussions over innocent things. Go and get a life .
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Posted: Today 02:41    Post subject: 
I have to agree with west. The whole thing is rather petty. But what really is blown out of proportion is the people over at the wireframe board slamming Creed like he's a serial killer and needs to be put in jail. And a question I wanna answered is how many of these guys yelling their asses off at Creed have hard drives full of MP3's from K-Lite...

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« Reply #32 on: 2004-06-04, 04:06 »
At first I thought this was a joke, sadly its not.

Though i don't think i held any part of this, I can't belive what has happened and what I have learned from it.

First off: I offer an apology to the Wirehead team for what has been discovered.  I'm sure no harm was meant but everything you have said, and i mean Nearly EVERY post on this thread is true.

Second: I would like to avoid the direct subject and tell you that the way you have conducted yourselves is extraordinary (check that spelling).

Finally: This website is Freaking amazing!! These forums rock, this website rocks.  I'm gonna search around some more and comment around!!  Great work on Generations.  I have played it but didnt recognize the models.  From now on i will look out for "piracy" in a much different form.
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« Reply #33 on: 2004-06-04, 04:08 »
Thanks, and welcome aboard.
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« Reply #34 on: 2004-06-04, 04:20 »
Woot!
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« Reply #35 on: 2004-06-04, 05:30 »
I suppose it's time I squawk up now that I've gotten wind of this.

Creed:  First, this is about hard work - OURS.  We own these models.  We take pride in what we do, and for someone to just come along and use without permission hurts.  We are well within our rights to protect what is ours.

Second, this is about helping YOU see what not to do.  Generations Q2 got shut down by Id Software because it used models, textures, and maps that belonged to Id Software, Inc, WITHOUT PERMISSION.  This is known as "foxing" among the mod community.  You can either voluntarily remove content that is not yours, or it can be done forcibly.  The reason it's known as "foxing" is because of Fox going after people who used ANY shred of their intellectual property.  This went as far as real names, addresses, etc, having to be disclosed to Fox, along with ALL material from the offending mod or criminal prosecution would follow.  That's the most extreme case, and yes, this did happen to real people just like you.

We at Wirehead do not make it our life's goal to be jerks to people, so we ask first and shoot later.  Just bear in mind that we WILL shoot if our rights are not respected.  This is not a threat, it's a promise.  If you want your project(s) to go forward, well that's great!  So do we.  However, if they are to go forward you need to do it on the level and not just take what belongs to others.  Sentiments in this are irrelevant, and no manner of posting other peoples' opinions will change our stance on this matter.  Work hard, do it yourselves, and take pride in what you do.

Lastly, if we cannot convince you that we are serious on this matter and resolve it peacefully don't take the "lawsuit" option lightly.  We mean it, and we have the resources and connections to do it.  We don't even have to go that far.  All we need to do to shut you down is to notify other companies whose material you've used without consent and they will do the job well enough without our needing to lift a finger.   We do not take this lightly, nor is this petty nor blown out of proportion.  We do our damndest to make sure we stay legal and don't infringe on any copyrights because we respect the work that's been done before us.  That's the whole POINT of our project - it is a tribute to Id Software.  We're not going to turn around and steal from those we admire.  LeeMon has kept in touch with Todd H. at Id to make sure every move we make is ok with them and that we're not invading their personal space.  We expect the exact same treatment from anyone else and we demand no less when it comes to respecting our work.
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« Reply #36 on: 2004-06-04, 06:26 »
Of further note, every "milestone" release of Generations features this text included in the installer.  For those who just used the .zip version, yes, you may have missed it.  .zip format is provided for those using alternative OS's who cannot otherwise use the .exe installer, however since this seems to be a continuing problem with people thinking they can just rip our work at will we'll make doubly sure it's included in every new file we provide.  Download the .99c release in either gensetup-full.exe or gensetup-min.exe format and you'll be greeted with this immediately upon program execution.

?GENERATIONS ARENA? MODIFICATION
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« Reply #37 on: 2004-06-04, 07:58 »
This has been sent to the relevant party, but I'll post it here, slightly reworded for the general audience.
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I know there's a lot of emotional arguing going back and forth on the various forums, so I wanted to post officially on behalf of the team, to try and get as much straightened out as possible.

We at WireHead have the utmost respect for other individuals and teams that are putting forth effort to revitalize the id Software anthologies and present the game universes we all know and love in new forms.  Generations Arena is not only our premier project, but a massive undertaking of any scope, and everyone here is proud of what we've created and the fanbase that has grown because of it.  We wish others in the id "classic" mod community all the luck in their own successes.

That said, the history of WireHead and the Generations projects has its fair share of erroneous thinking about copyrights, copyright law, and the degree of respect one has to give to those laws when one is "just" making mods.

The sole reason Generations Arena exists is that id Software explicitly gave us permission to build on their copyrights, most notably, to draw so heavily on the Game Scenarios of their previous games.  We were not permitted to copy characters or their likenesses, but were permitted to create weapons, graphics, etc. that were similar in form and function to the original games.

One thing we were explicitly not permitted to use, however, was any of the actual content from the games.  This includes the actual models, sounds, textures, and geometry (explicitly geometry... hand-duplicated levels were not allowed) from those games.  Those were the original works, and there were serious copyright issues that would arise for id themselves if they allowed others to use them, even for free.  (The fact that the publisher owns certain copyright on the games as well further murks up the issue).

While we take extreme pride in Generations, we cannot take too much ownership in it from a copyright standpoint.  Much of the non-tangible aspects (the design, scenario, intellectual property, etc) are derivative works.  However, the actual files--textures, models, etc--are ours.

We have no desire to be stingy or legal sticklers over copyright issues, but the concerns we have are ones that anyone who creates something would share.  We want to keep ownership and recognition for the work we created.   We want to know (or at least have a general idea) of who's using our stuff and how they're using it (especially if it's not in the way we presented it).

More notably, we don't wanting people to pick and choose among our content and present a very incomplete picture of our work.  Most of all, we don't want all the hard work we went to lumped up with other people's creations, thus having our own work judged based on the works of others.

While the body of copyright law can be confusing, the basic concept (easily looked up at http://copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html for those other people out there who start quoting laws that don't exist) is extremely easy.  A work is copyrighted the second it's created.  The copyright need not be explicitly listed anywhere, nor any EULA need exist for the work to be protected.  The work is automatically protected against reproduction, copying, and derivative works (among other things) , and to do those things without explicit permission is illegal.

Regardless of the opinion some of the forum discussors might have, using models and textures others have created, without their expressed permission, is a violation of copyright and illegal.  Even if one does not care about that, it still is horrible etiquette at best, and underhanded at worst, to do it.  It's especially important to get permission when taking individual elements of a complete work (that each constitute a significant work in and of themselves, like models) out of the whole work... and even more so when bundling them with other works outside the original creator's control,

We at WireHead are fairly frank and open about the concept of derivative works... Generations is one itself, and we'd be nowhere on it without permission from id.  But that's the point: we asked before we started, and we double-checked each step of the way.  It's all we've ever asked of others, and even if one ignores that it's the law to do so, it's just polite.

Part of the frustation among our members and fans is that we seem to go through this on a semi-monthly basis, every time with a new person who "didn't know."  The burden of proof is not on us, the responsibility is not inherently ours; we give sufficient notification, and searching for places where we do not state such does not provide one protection.

We'll certainly take steps to state this more clearly, but allow me to get it out in the open now: WireHead Studios does not permit derivative works of Generations without explicit permission.  The only major exception is the creation of maps (not based on our .map or .bsp files) that make use of (but do not include) our custom textures.

Please consider this a request to remove all of WireHead Studio's content from this project, and do not include any of our files in the future.  If anyone have any questions, I'm more than happy to discuss this via my email.  My one request would be this: if you wish to discuss any specifics of copyright law that you feel may allow use of our property without permission, please at least thoroughly read http://www.copyright.gov before making arguments about what is and is not allowed.  ;^)

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« Reply #38 on: 2004-06-04, 08:28 »
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hypocrite says what.
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« Reply #39 on: 2004-06-04, 08:43 »
Here I was trying to do you a favor and save you from what killed a very fun project.  Oh and by the way, I was not on the original Generations project for Quake 2.  You might do your homework sometime, but I see you care little for that from your response on your own message board.  It's nice to know that you hold our work in such high esteem that the only way you see fit to appreciate it is to disrespect us and steal it for your own use.  You're setting a fine example for the rest of the mod community of what not to do.
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