Is it just me, or do you have to rant on christianity every possible chance?

There are VERY few biblical references in this thread, and I think I'd like to keep it that way.

Being naked is a personal choice, but that doesn't mean I want to see someone's pimply ass.

Keeping your clothes on is much the same as keeping the volume on my stereo down.
The neighbors don't want to hear it, and I don't want to see them naked.

Now there's a couple ladies down the street I wouldn't mind seeing, but I rather prefer enjoying nudity in private.

Then, if you can persuade Draco and Phoenix to not bring it up, I'm sure Malchia won't either. Until then, do what Jesus did and turn the other cheek.

You really run the risk of skin cancer any time you're out in the sun for a prolonged period of time.  To be honest, with the work that my father does (irrigation,) I'm really surprised he hasn't contracted skin cancer.  He's out in the sun nearly every day for 8 - 10 hours at a time.

That said, drink you water people!  And be sure to wear sunblock with at least an SPF level of 45.  Wearing sun-glasses with UV protective lenses and a nice, shady hat are good as well  

Um...if you bring up your beliefs, then the opposing side has the right to bring up theirs, yes? Draco brought up a Christian arguement because she is christian. I respect that arguement. Malchia brought up an anti-christian arguement. His is respected as well. So in all honesty, it wasn't a "STFU". Rather a, "if you can convince just one side to stop preaching, the other will lose interest and stop preaching also" kind of thing.

I never learn more than from a debate, so please, by all means, don't "STFU".


And to get back on topic, I think Kain has made the most rationally acceptable arguement here. He is absolutely correct. This bill does not force people to go topless. It just says they can if they wish. GG Kain.

The "turn the other cheek" comment made it sound like it was.  My apoligies.  

   but...

I thought everybody did that...

Perhaps the reason those "bits" are paler, is because they are covered nearly 24/7?  Personally I don't see any reason to oppose the bill.  If it were saying people could run around stark naked, yes I'd have a problem with it.  The bible may have said that Adam and Eve covered themselves, but it never specified explicitly that Eve covered her breasts.


Draco, do you realize that the "effect on kids of this generation" is entirely cultural?  The only reason it isn't "okay to do shit like that" is because society has decreed it so.  If everyone went around topless, eventually no one would have a problem with it, and since it would be an everyday occurrence, men *would* eventually become inured to it and wouldn't go ga-ga every time a woman walked by with no shirt on.  Look at Africa (yes this point was brought up before, but I didn't see anyone countering it), do you see all the men getting hard-ons when a woman walks by with no top on?  no, they care about as much as they do when another guy walks by with no top on.

You don't have a problem with men walking around topless... why?  because society says that's okay.  You do have a problem with women walking around topless... why?  because society says it's not.  I also find it amusing how you associate being topless with being naked.  Funny, I walk around in my swim trunks and don't feel terribly naked.

"Why bother in the first place"?  When you are born, are you born wearing clothes?  You imply it's a "bother" to wear less clothing.  I find this humorous.  Men currently go around topless because it's more comfortable on a warm day, or they're working hard (or working out) and want to let their sweat cool them naturally like it was intended to do, instead of being hot AND wearing a sweat-drenched shirt.

DAMN, there's so many holes in that statement...

First of all, you immediately dismiss every Christian as the right-wing nut job Christians that most other Christians hate.  Almost every Christian I know does not take the scripture literally, but instead does simply use it as a set of moral and philosophical guidelines.

Secondly, very few Christians believe that God is simply some old man up in the sky.  It's a dated, clich?d reference.

Third, you yourself claim to have been around for a few thousand years, yet immediately dismiss the possibility that Phoenix could possibly be anywhere near what he says he is - in fact, to me it sounds like you're inferring that he's some delusional 14 year old sitting at a keyboard.  Hypocrisy at it's best!

Fourth, for being someone who's been around for a few thousand years, you've developed a hyper-critical, inflammatory, elitist attitude.  Someone who has been around that long would have matured beyond that point, and understood that this sort of "discussion" (and I use the term loosely) is pointless.

Fifth, although I initially dismissed Woodsman's claims about you being dev/null, I did some research, and you walk like the afore-referenced duck, and quack like the afore-mentioned duck.  I smell duck.  IP addresses only lie when they don't match.  Matching IPs very seldom lie.

Geeze, someone's dense. I'll give you the pleasure of picking apart your post statement by statement.


I don't know anyone who is truly Christian, so I couldn't say. That certainly isn't the case here. Besides, I did not, and usually don't group all Christians together. As McDeth pointed out, exceptions are present in everything.


Um... Sarcasm, dude. There's that density showing again.


Sarcasm again... You might want to get a dictionary and look into the meaning of that word; SAR-CA-SIM


That's precisely what I'm implying... Thanks for finally realizing some of the subtle nuances in my statement. I guess it wasn't sarcasm though, so it wasn't a problem area of yours.


You are correct here. A debate such as this is pretty pointless from both sides. It's amusing though.


Wow, I bet you guys feel real special for figuring this out too, huh? If I was really in this to deceive anyone, I wouldn't have chosen a name tied to an already established character of mine. I would have gone with something more along the lines of Bald&Sexy of DaWoman McLife 333, for example.

Breasts are natural.

I'd much rather my son see breasts than someone's head ripped off in all its gory detail on broadcast TV.

Hell, I'd rather him see hardcore porn than that. I hate how our society's values are so skewed that sex has become an evil act, but violence is A-OK!

Edit: wow, I just read this thread all the way for the first time. Why the hell didn't someone report this?

Dev/null, didn't you learn your lesson the first time? We unbanned you after awhile because we thought you'd learn. It looks like you didn't. You speak of others being dense, and not understanding anything. Look at yourself. You're nothing but a troll.